Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
His book is excellent: required reading.
I don't blame those posters by the way, but the issue does foreground the collapse of a class politics on the left imho
A thank you to Brexiteers.
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His book is excellent: required reading.
I don't blame those posters by the way, but the issue does foreground the collapse of a class politics on the left imho
andysays
Love and solidarity
Thanks for posting that.This is excellent stuff, and the type of welcome reflection we need from Remainers. Bloodworth, who if I remember used to be in the Socialist Organiser before going on an identarian journey, voted Remain and, by any measure cannot be confused with a leave supporter:
Why Remainers shouldn’t mock Brexiteers over the lorry driver shortage
The inconvenient truth is that employers have used migrant labour to reduce wages and standards.www.newstatesman.com
I think it's also worth noting what he says in the penultimate paragraph.
To be sure, there are other ways of securing improved pay and conditions for low-paid workers than choking off the supply of economic migrants. The dearth of trade union representation in contemporary workplaces is arguably a bigger fetter on workers’ demands than foreign labour. Indeed, the choice to keep wages low is a conscious one taken by big employers. Workers organising under an effective union leadership could squeeze bigger concessions out of employers while eschewing the ugly rhetoric that often accompanies conversations around economic migration.
Those of us who were (and still are) in favour of Brexit do need to acknowledge the truth of this, and particularly to continue to argue against what Bloodworth calls the ugly rhetoric that often accompanies conversations around economic migration.
Economic migrants were never the enemy, and we should continue to argue against seeing them as such. Our enemy is the employers who chose to keep wages low, and who will try to find new ways to keep them low in the future.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Here's another good bit, if you can tear yourself away from posting shit memes for a moment
This is the reason many low-paid workers voted for Brexit, even if Remainers do not wish to hear it. But then, perhaps they don’t want to acknowledge that they themselves are shielded from the vicissitudes at the bottom of the labour market. Britons in well-paid jobs have never had much to fear from low-skilled EU migration. The same is not true of those in low-paid occupations.
Under a Tory government??? You are fucking kidding me and yourself surely
SUNLIT fucking UPLANDS for low paid folk
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Instead of typing capital letters why not actually read what the article says. It’s the opposite of what you’ve taken from it. There is no suggestion of ‘sunlit uplands’.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Happy Shopper aspic style slime.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Did those many low paid workers have a solution to the irish land border issue?
I would like to hear that.
From them, or you, or any other poster on here that is in favour of brexit, or of making the best (ha ha) of brexit.
Go for it.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Here is a story from the BBC about a warning from Marks and Spencer saying that because of the forthcoming new rules there are likely to be shortages.
I reckon the brexiteers who moan about the remainers always complaining and not engaging, have a solution to suggest for the remainers to engage with.
Go without.
Am I right brexiteers?
Do you have any ideas as to how remainers can engage with the shortages in a positive way?
I suppose there is always blank denial to fall back on.
Or sneering at people who shop at Marks and Spencer, yep brexiteers can always try that.
M&S warns of new food supplies threat as Brexit rules change
Retailer warns of "significant disruption" to food imports when new paperwork comes in next month.
www.bbc.co.uk
I reckon the brexiteers who moan about the remainers always complaining and not engaging, have a solution to suggest for the remainers to engage with.
Go without.
Am I right brexiteers?
Do you have any ideas as to how remainers can engage with the shortages in a positive way?
I suppose there is always blank denial to fall back on.
Or sneering at people who shop at Marks and Spencer, yep brexiteers can always try that.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
EU-wide campaign for a rise in wages of officials who issue Export Health Certificates. 
In the UK it seems reasonable that the requirement that vets do these checks is relaxed to include other people with POAO / meat hygiene qualifications, such as environmental health officers.
(I couldn't actually read the Times article because it is paywalled, so quite hard to engage with. I did not vote in the referendum).
In the UK it seems reasonable that the requirement that vets do these checks is relaxed to include other people with POAO / meat hygiene qualifications, such as environmental health officers.
(I couldn't actually read the Times article because it is paywalled, so quite hard to engage with. I did not vote in the referendum).
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Why? There wasn't any space provided on the ballot for jotting down one's thoughts on the Irish border.
Here is a story from the BBC about a warning from Marks and Spencer saying that because of the forthcoming new rules there are likely to be shortages.
M&S warns of new food supplies threat as Brexit rules change
Retailer warns of "significant disruption" to food imports when new paperwork comes in next month.www.bbc.co.uk
I reckon the brexiteers who moan about the remainers always complaining and not engaging, have a solution to suggest for the remainers to engage with.
Go without.
Am I right brexiteers?
Do you have any ideas as to how remainers can engage with the shortages in a positive way?
I suppose there is always blank denial to fall back on.
Or sneering at people who shop at Marks and Spencer, yep brexiteers can always try that.
Have you tried looking in different shops? Or waiting? When the imbeciles started clearing the supermarket shelves of all the bog roll, I ended up getting my supply from the local corner shop instead. Recently I had to buy the specific kind of toothpaste I wanted in person, because they didn't have any in stock for delivery. Yes it is inconvenient, but it's hardly the end of the world.
As for the bureaucratic and corporate mess that governments and industry are still going through five years later, I wouldn't know where to start with that one. I'm still struggling to write my own Personal Development Plan for work, sorting out the customs shit is going to require teams of people with experience in the field. Maybe some kind of pressure could be put on the government and industry to devote proper resources to the problem instead of trying to just muddle their way through by dragging their feet and squealing for band-aid solutions like visas for cheap drivers from elsewhere.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
Indeed, yet the ballot paper was a vote about the whole of the UK making no indication that Northern ireland would be treated differently.
If there had been a space for jotting down your thoughts about the Irish border, did you have any?
Personally I thought about it, and voted remain.
Of course there are other shops to look in. But if increased bureaucracy is going to impact on the supply of goods to Marks and Spencer, it is a reasonable assumption to think the increased bureaucracy will have a trickle down impact on all shops.
You say there will be inconvenience, do you think there will be an upside to balance out the inconvenience?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Bold move there by the philosophical.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Why the bold?
No, I didn't have any thoughts about the Irish border when I voted. Just like I didn't have any thoughts about the Irish border at any other time that I have voted. I don't define my political decisions in relation to one border.
I already got what I wanted. Britain out of the EU. Anything else after that is a bonus. The retail sector has a direct financial interest in smoothing over their import-export problems, so any idea that shortages are here to stay, rather than being the ultimately transient result of governments and businesses being unprepared, doesn't make sense to me.
Can you let the lads in Ireland and Northern Ireland know about the bonuses then.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Why must there be bonuses? This idea that material benefits must flow is very Thatcherite…
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Supply chain, you say?
www.theguardian.com
Lorry driver shortage: strike threat at two firms increases supply chain fears
Staff at Tesco-owned Booker and cement producer Hanson move closer to industrial action
philosophical
Well-Known Member
I used the bold because I often fuck up the quote and reply system, and thought it would differentiate my words from the other poster.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
What do low paid workers who voted for Brexit think the solution is to the complexities of the quote and reply system. I would like to know.
philosophical
Well-Known Member
You have got what you wanted if you define Britain as Scotland, Wales and England. However you referenced the ballot paper which was about the UK.
In terms of defining a political decision in relation to one border, isn't that the crux of the vote, for the UK to leave the EU and therefore there would be a border separating the two entities?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Looks like there's a reckoning of sorts going on in the HGV industry - they're desperate for more workers, and this has increased the bargaining power of the drivers still sticking it out.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
plebiscite as it is now known asEU-wide campaign for a rise in wages of officials who issue Export Health Certificates.
In the UK it seems reasonable that the requirement that vets do these checks is relaxed to include other people with POAO / meat hygiene qualifications, such as environmental health officers.
(I couldn't actually read the Times article because it is paywalled, so quite hard to engage with. I did not vote in the referendum).
Is that a bonus then?
Might have a tiny impact in 12-18 months. Maybe partly solving a salary issue we all knew about ten years before Brexit.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The border has always been there. I got an opportunity - perhaps the only one I will ever get in my entire life - to cast a vote on the matter, and I took it.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Supine
Newt Member
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Definitely, thanks from me tooThanks from all of us
philosophical
Well-Known Member
The border has been there for less than 100 years.
Incidentally, are you aware of the strife in Ireland as a result of the establishment of that border?
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