5G networks - safety, conspiracies and moron cell tower attacks

[Proper Tidy]

People believe conspiracy theories because they provide meaning and structure to the unknown or unfathomable, this is no different. A couple of people on my FB who were not (afaik) conspiracists before have posted some stuff, and I can see that the pull for them in this instance is basically being unhappy about the lockdown and restrictions on their movement and activity, but that's what conspiracism does, it exploits motivations to peddle its shit.

Think comparing conspiracists to people who voted out is a bit off tbh

 

[bimble]

People believe conspiracy theories because they provide meaning and structure to the unknown or unfathomable, this is no different. A couple of people on my FB who were not (afaik) conspiracists before have posted some stuff, and I can see that the pull for them in this instance is basically being unhappy about the lockdown and restrictions on their movement and activity, but that's what conspiracism does, it exploits motivations to peddle its shit.

Think comparing conspiracists to people who voted out is a bit off tbh

Aye, what i meant is that the way some people talk about them is (seems to me) similar.

 

[NoXion]

Aye, what i meant is that the way some people talk about them is (seems to me) similar.

I consider the #FBPE lot on Twitter to be a bunch of utter wankers, but I still think it's entirely possible to have a sincere and legitimate Remain position. Indeed it's my belief that the knobs on Twitter represent a minority on both sides.

I definitely couldn't say the same thing about chemtrails, vaccines causing autism, interdimensional lizard people running everything, water fluoridation, the flat Earth, being anally molested by telepathic spacemen, blaming a virus pandemic on telecommunications technology, the hollow Earth, space and space exploration being fake, using corrosive black salve to treat dermatological complaints, secret nanotechnology, the idea that evolution or the spherical Earth is a ploy to turn the masses away from God, racist notions about ancient non-European cultures being unable to do anything major without alien intervention, and of course the perennial favourite, Jewsdidit.

 

[bimble]

Yeah there is that NoXion. I just find the why of it all really interesting, if I had the brains and time I reckon this (conspiracism) is a properly fascinating subject, not what specific clusters of crap people believe but you know, why, what work it does for them in dealing with the messy scary world etc.

 

[Doodler]

The fabrication of 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' was a conspiracy to promote a conspiracy theory, maybe the most lethal one ever. Is it the norm or the exception for conspiracy theories to be started deliberately by people who don't believe in them?

 

[butchersapron]

2003 and the weapons of mass destruction lies is v important in the world-view of the more 'political' conspiracy loons. The lesson they learnt from that blood stained episode and their anger at it was not that we require detailed in-depth critical research into the motivations of competing interests, how those interests were historically constituted, how they operate today and how they intend to ensure the continuation of those interests, how they intersect with each other on different levels, what this means for the reproduction of this particular form of global governance and wider society and so on, no the lesson was that whatever people in authority in a specific place and specific time say is a lie and they lie about why they are doing it.

Conversely, whatever people in authority in a different (competing with those lying authorities as they would crudely see it, rather than just being a different part of the same model) place say is THE TRUTH and is designed to undo and expose the lies of the former - that has become particularly evident when over say the Syrian Revolution and the cloud of Assadist filth they have chosen to gulp down. And this works on a lower level too - see the reliance on Craig Murray and other now well funded and fed mouths. It's very similar to the classical approach of western stalinists but without any of the organisational or intellectual backup. Basically this is what the pointy-heads call a truncated critique. 2003 bleeds into all of this now - and it's a total gift horse to the latter lot and the interests they have ended up pimping.

Of course, the thrill of discovering rejected knowledge in a situation of utter personal political social and cultural alienation is very attractive in itself. The growth of interest in lost early Christianities and how this came about for example is a sort of weak respectable version of this. If you reject this society - formally or informally, consciously or unconsciously and the things that this society is/claimed to be based on then the thing this society claims it has rejected are going to tempting and if you accept them critically or uncritically - then it is going to lead to a worldview very much at odds with what we're told is the dominant consensus - and it's only a few more steps in such a networked world to see ongoing work at contemporary rejections all around you. In a particular time and place for the more political or just everywhere all the time for others.

 

[Marty1]

2003 and the weapons of mass destruction lies is v important in the world-view of the more 'political' conspiracy loons. The lesson they learnt from that blood stained episode and their anger at it was not that we require detailed in-depth critical research into the motivations of competing interests, how those interests were historically constituted, how they operate today and how they intend to ensure the continuation of those interests, how they intersect with each other on different levels, what this means for the reproduction of this particular form of global governance and wider society and so on, no the lesson was that whatever people in authority in a specific place and specific time say is a lie and they lie about why they are doing it.

Conversely, whatever people in authority in a different (competing with those lying authorities as they would crudely see it, rather than just being a different part of the same model) place say is THE TRUTH and is designed to undo and expose the lies of the former - that has become particularly evident when over say the Syrian Revolution and the cloud of Assadist filth they have chosen to gulp down. And this works on a lower level too - see the reliance on Craig Murray and other now well funded and fed mouths. It's very similar to the classical approach of western stalinists but without any of the organisational or intellectual backup. Basically this is what the pointy-heads call a truncated critique. 2003 bleeds into all of this now - and it's a total gift horse to the latter lot and the interests they have ended up pimping.

Of course, the thrill of discovering rejected knowledge in a situation of utter personal political social and cultural alienation is very attractive in itself. The growth of interest in lost early Christianities and how this came about for example is a sort of weak respectable version of this. If you reject this society - formally or informally, consciously or unconsciously and the things that this society is/claimed to be based on then the thing this society claims it has rejected are going to tempting and if you accept them critically or uncritically - then it is going to lead to a worldview very much at odds with what we're told is the dominant consensus - and it's only a few more steps in such a networked world to see ongoing work at contemporary rejections all around you. In a particular time and place for the more political or just everywhere all the time for others.

I didn’t understand a word of that - could you provide it in layman’s terms at all?

 

[keybored]

I didn’t understand a word of that - could you provide it in layman’s terms at all?

Fuck off.

Is that more comprehensible?

 

[Marty1]

Fuck off.

Is that more comprehensible?

Theres absolutely no need for that kind of abuse.

Im asking the poster a genuine question.

 

[NoXion]

Yeah there is that NoXion. I just find the why of it all really interesting, if I had the brains and time I reckon this (conspiracism) is a properly fascinating subject, not what specific clusters of crap people believe but you know, why, what work it does for them in dealing with the messy scary world etc.

I've heard the "making sense of a senseless world" hypothesis, and while I think that it makes sense on some levels, as a worldview it looks even more hopeless than simply seeing the world as a chaotic place. Mindless chaos doesn't actively fight against attempts to create order. On the other hand, if you sincerely believe in some of the things I've read, then the conspiracy has been successfully pulling the wool over peoples' eyes for millennia, and is now successfully doing it to billions of people. I don't see anything comforting about that. "They" control reality and thus their tyranny is locked in forevermore. You might be enlightened to the "truth" as an individual, but in terms of actually changing the world for the better, you might as well be screaming at the sky.

Whereas in a chaotic world with no over-arching conspiracy controlling everything, nothing is forever. History keeps turning. There is room for hope.

 

[N_igma]

I think the politics of exclusion and lack of direct participation in decision-making by the general population feeds into all this conspiracy bollocks. I’ve seen conspiracy theorists ask genuine questions such as why the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, and we do live in a world with an ‘elite’ who have all the power and they make all the decisions that affect everyone else.

So I think a lot do have genuine concerns but they’re manifested in different ways. The idea that’s it’s all a big conspiracy theory simplifies life’s problems, there’s ‘us’ with no power and no say and there’s ‘them’ with all the power and money. Once you fall into that binary notion you are opening yourself up to all the other batshit crazy nonsense that comes along with it.

How we take genuine fears and concerns and push them in the right direction is another matter, because I’m sure as everyone else knows, trying to argue with someone who has fallen down the rabbit hole is damn near impossible.

 

[William of Walworth]

I think several of the posts immediately above explain really well why people become tempted by conspiracy theories.
Understanding why that happens, and even sympathsising with some of the reasons people succomb to conpiracism?
Fair enough to attempt to understand and explain those reasons.

But IMO such an attempt is perfectly consistent with describing the actual conspiracies as utterly irrational, counter-factual, ignoring of evidence, contrary to science, and thoroughly a-historical.

And that therefore, undercritically believing them while applying no critical analysis whatsoever, is bonkers.
And, in the case of believing the following, out-and-out insane :

chemtrails, vaccines causing autism, interdimensional lizard people running everything, water fluoridation, the flat Earth, being anally molested by telepathic spacemen, blaming a virus pandemic on telecommunications technology, the hollow Earth, space and space exploration being fake, using corrosive black salve to treat dermatological complaints, secret nanotechnology, the idea that evolution or the spherical Earth is a ploy to turn the masses away from God, racist notions about ancient non-European cultures being unable to do anything major without alien intervention, and of course the perennial favourite, Jewsdidit.

 

[editor]

I didn’t understand a word of that - could you provide it in layman’s terms at all?

If you think you're going to get this thread dumbed down into nice little Trump-like soundbites, you're in the wrong place. If you don't understand it, look it up.

 

[Humberto]

People are being slain and cut down in their jobs though. I know that's a figure of speech, but only to an extent. There is a bottled up anguish of those who have given up. The way the government have fucked up the pandemic crisis, for instance. People are so demoralised that they won't even complain anymore. Times were shit; now all this.

If you are looking for examples of the wicked/guilty/evil then you don't have to look far. The government line can only be 'everyone for themselves'.

The Times article? WTF?! The government literally don't care about you. They abandoned us. That is: they didn't protect public health. And now the future is probably dark. Define 'dark'? Well we don't owe the last generation. I.e retirees. I don't believe in generational animosity btw. What I would say though is: speak up, learn and you damn well better complain.

 

[gentlegreen]

As light relief, another example of how similar - perhaps some of the same - idiots will pay crazy money for different electromagnetic "frequencies"..

This contaminated Youtube yesterday - in amongst all the "make money quick" adverts ...

 

[Nigel]

Can Masts cause cancer
Thanks

Nigel

 

[Nigel]

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[gentlegreen]

Can Masts cause cancer
Thanks

Nigel

depends what you do with them.
If you climb them and stick yourself right next to the 10 watt transmitter, worst case you might get as warm as if you grabbed hold of a 10 watt lamp.
To get cancer you would have to look at extracting beryllium from power devices inside it or grinding up the paint and snorting it - but even the solder is lead-free these days ..
There are probably much more carcinogenic things in the average house.

Genetics and old age is the usual way to get cancer these days if you don't smoke tobacco.

 

[2hats]

To get cancer you would have to look at extracting beryllium from power devices inside it or grinding up the paint and snorting it - but even the solder is lead-free these days ..
There are probably much more carcinogenic things in the average house.

You forgot the option of strapping yourself to the top of them, stark bollock naked, for the whole of June/July/August, without any sunscreen.

 

[High Voltage]

You forgot the option of strapping yourself to the top of them, stark bollock naked, for the whole of June/July/August, without any sunscreen.

I'd have thought that, that was a "given"

 

[ddraig]

Coronavirus: Ofcom rules on Eamonn Holmes and David Icke comments

The media regulator "issues guidance" to ITV and finds London Live in breach of broadcasting standards.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[gentlegreen]

It dawned on me that I ought to know the stats on marine radar ..2.9 to 9.5. GHz at up to 2 or 3 KW !
I wonder why they aren't at least a little concerned about that...

 

[sovereignb]

Theres absolutely no need for that kind of abuse.

Im asking the poster a genuine question.

thats the Urban way I'm afraid...

 

[two sheds]

thats the Urban way I'm afraid...

Well yes, it's the urban way with trolls and posters who try to use far right news sources

 

[sovereignb]

Well yes, it's the urban way with trolls and posters who try to use far right news sources

Right

 

[Marty1]

thats the Urban way I'm afraid...

I normally wouldn’t bother replying to abuse but but I think the poster got the wrong end of the stick - no harm done

 

[Helen Back]

How do these morons think that what is essentially a radio signal is able to transmit a living microscopic organism? What's their logic? Have we gone back to the Dark Ages or something?

 

[gentlegreen]

How do these morons think that what is essentially a radio signal is able to transmit a living microscopic organism? What's their logic? Have we gone back to the Dark Ages or something?

There's one faction that believes "viruses" that are detected are actually "toxins" exuded by the body - presumably when under attack from death rays ...

 

[cupid_stunt]

How do these morons think that what is essentially a radio signal is able to transmit a living microscopic organism? What's their logic? Have we gone back to the Dark Ages or something?

They don't appear to have left the Dark Ages, bunch of uneducated potatoes.

 

[WouldBe]

How do these morons think that what is essentially a radio signal is able to transmit a living microscopic organism? What's their logic? Have we gone back to the Dark Ages or something?

They are confusing communications with replicators.