5G networks - safety, conspiracies and moron cell tower attacks

[8ball]

It was happening but I suspect most people didn't notice as much. Here's a story from 2002: 3G rollout threatened by mast protests | ZDNet

Yep, it dates back to the start, and just got worst from 2G onwards, but covid super-charged it when it comes to 5G.

There were general concerns about non-ionising radiation as the use of mobile phones proliferated, and that continued as smartphones came along, but the 5G/anti-vaxx/anti-lockdown nexus is something on a very new scale, and I think the way it is supercharged by social media has transformed things.

All I'm saying is that I don't think the "business as usual" implication of that meme is valid.

As an aside, I don't really remember the previous issues being particularly understood as "2G" or "3G" etc. being particularly sinister technologies, but the concerns being centred on a proliferation of masts. I can see the terms referenced in old news stories (at least from 3G), but don't remember anyone really talking about it. I think I had a dumb phone until 4G had been out for some time, so maybe just wasn't taking much of an interest in the minutiae.

I can't even imagine how people can come to the conclusion that such tech is related to virus outbreaks.

Fair to say that everyone seems to stop worrying about the previous tech generation once a new one comes along, though.

 

[NoXion]

I can't even imagine how people can come to the conclusion that such tech is related to virus outbreaks.

It's this part which makes me wonder if there is anything to those rumours I've heard, that anti-5G is being egged on by some malevolent actor.

 

[8ball]

It's this part which makes me wonder if there is anything to those rumours I've heard, that anti-5G is being egged on by some malevolent actor.

What kind of malevolent actor?
Commercial, geo-political etc?

 

[NoXion]

What kind of malevolent actor?
Commercial, geo-political etc?

Hard to say for sure, since they're acting covertly. Russia was the one being fingered in the version I heard, but that could just be nonsense. In any case I do find it weird why 5G is being linked to viral outbreaks in this manner. Conspiracy theorists love to use shit like nanotechnology to try and bridge the gap, but since they don't have a clue what they're talking about, they're all over the shop with no single coherent explanation.

 

[8ball]

Hard to say for sure, since they're acting covertly. Russia was the one being fingered in the version I heard, but that could just be nonsense. In any case I do find it weird why 5G is being linked to viral outbreaks in this manner. Conspiracy theorists love to use shit like nanotechnology to try and bridge the gap, but since they don't have a clue what they're talking about, they're all over the shop with no single coherent explanation.

My feeling is that it's an emergent information mutation like the QAnon machine is designed to generate. People post random shit, dumb ideas get combined, some stick etc. etc.
The idea that Russia is stirring the pot is reasonable, though.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The frequency's higher so people are more susceptible.

True, IIRC around 3.5 GHz, but satellite TV services for the UK use over 10 GHz, so is far better equipped to spread covid.

But, the loons ignore that, because it's too much effort to go up and set fire to a satellite, the lazy bastards.

 

[souljacker]

True, IIRC around 3.5 GHz, but satellite TV services for the UK use over 10 GHz, so is far better equipped to spread covid.

But, the loons ignore that, because it's too much effort to go up and set fire to a satellite, the lazy bastards.

The comedy of it being that all these frequencies that are being used by 5G are in use already on other wireless comms. An anti-vaxxer/5G loon was telling me about how dangerous the 'new' 60Ghz part of the 5G standard was. I pointed out that 60Ghz has been used in long haul wireless comms for years and in fact, I was installing it all they way back in 2007. There is nothing new about it at all and if it's killing people today, it should have killed me 15 years ago.

 

[NoXion]

The comedy of it being that all these frequencies that are being used by 5G are in use already on other wireless comms. An anti-vaxxer/5G loon was telling me about how dangerous the 'new' 60Ghz part of the 5G standard was. I pointed out that 60Ghz has been used in long haul wireless comms for years and in fact, I was installing it all they way back in 2007. There is nothing new about it at all and if it's killing people today, it should have killed me 15 years ago.

I'm curious how they responded to that.

 

[souljacker]

I'm curious how they responded to that.

I'm wrong and all the scientists are wrong and I've been duped by the MSM and the satanic cabal and the joooooz and he's done his own research.

 

[8ball]

I'm wrong and all the scientists are wrong and I've been duped by the MSM and the satanic cabal and the joooooz and he's done his own research.

The joooz!! I knew it would be them!

 

[NoXion]

I'm wrong and all the scientists are wrong and I've been duped by the MSM and the satanic cabal and the joooooz and he's done his own research.

Ugh, that's the worst kind of response you could have got. I honestly wonder how people like that can function normally.

 

[8ball]

Ugh, that's the worst kind of response you could have got. I honestly wonder how people like that can function normally.

I don't think "MSM" or "satanic cabal" would have featured back when they were talking about 3G.

 

[tim]

It's this part which makes me wonder if there is anything to those rumours I've heard, that anti-5G is being egged on by some malevolent actor.

Undoubtedly, and I can think of few actors more malignant

 

[2hats]

True, IIRC around 3.5 GHz, but satellite TV services for the UK use over 10 GHz, so is far better equipped to spread covid.

But, the loons ignore that, because it's too much effort to go up and set fire to a satellite, the lazy bastards.

Perhaps they ignore the brightest radio source in the sky (broad band spectrum too), not just because of inaccessibility, but because it is already "on fire".

Also - science fact - it is most definitely a significant contributory factor to the appearance of all viruses on this planet.

 

[souljacker]

Ugh, that's the worst kind of response you could have got. I honestly wonder how people like that can function normally.

To be fair, he does point to a bunch of scientific papers that do suggest damage to cells can happen with low frequency RF comms but I always point out to him that they aren't peer reviewed and often come from scientists who aren't even in the right field. He also pointed out to me that 60Ghz has been used as an attack weapon by the chinese which may be true but is not the same as how it's used in RF comms. The power levels are miniscule in comparison to what they use for that sort of device. Microwave ovens are a good example. They use a frequency in the 2.4Ghz spectrum that is used for wifi therefore, in the anti-5G world, wifi is cooking us like last nights leftovers. But, a microwave works at around 800-1000 Watts whereas your wifi router puts out around 50 milliwats or 0.05 of a Watt. That isn't going to heat up anything, let alone cause cell breakdown and cancer.

 

[Storm Fox]

To be fair, he does point to a bunch of scientific papers that do suggest damage to cells can happen with low frequency RF comms but I always point out to him that they aren't peer reviewed and often come from scientists who aren't even in the right field. He also pointed out to me that 60Ghz has been used as an attack weapon by the chinese which may be true but is not the same as how it's used in RF comms. The power levels are miniscule in comparison to what they use for that sort of device. Microwave ovens are a good example. They use a frequency in the 2.4Ghz spectrum that is used for wifi therefore, in the anti-5G world, wifi is cooking us like last nights leftovers. But, a microwave works at around 800-1000 Watts whereas your wifi router puts out around 50 milliwats or 0.05 of a Watt. That isn't going to heat up anything, let alone cause cell breakdown and cancer.

That's a factor of 20,000.
So easy test for your common or garden 5G conspiracy idoit, get them to stare at a 1lumen bulb and then a 20000 lumen bulb and get them to tell you the point they went blind.

 

[NoXion]

To be fair, he does point to a bunch of scientific papers that do suggest damage to cells can happen with low frequency RF comms but I always point out to him that they aren't peer reviewed and often come from scientists who aren't even in the right field. He also pointed out to me that 60Ghz has been used as an attack weapon by the chinese which may be true but is not the same as how it's used in RF comms. The power levels are miniscule in comparison to what they use for that sort of device. Microwave ovens are a good example. They use a frequency in the 2.4Ghz spectrum that is used for wifi therefore, in the anti-5G world, wifi is cooking us like last nights leftovers. But, a microwave works at around 800-1000 Watts whereas your wifi router puts out around 50 milliwats or 0.05 of a Watt. That isn't going to heat up anything, let alone cause cell breakdown and cancer.

Thing is, if you're dealing with someone who's already foaming about Illuminati bullshit, then the references to unreviewed papers and Chinese superweapons aren't the supporting pillars of a good-faith attempt at establishing a hypothesis. Otherwise you wouldn't have to "always point out" such things to them. All that kind of fluff is just a cargo-cult attempt at appearing scientific, an attempted rationalisation for already-held beliefs. They see the forms of science in papers, citations etc, but it seems they cannot or will not truly understand the functional substance behind said forms.

 

[souljacker]

Thing is, if you're dealing with someone who's already foaming about Illuminati bullshit, then the references to unreviewed papers and Chinese superweapons aren't the supporting pillars of a good-faith attempt at establishing a hypothesis. Otherwise you wouldn't have to "always point out" such things to them. All that kind of fluff is just a cargo-cult attempt at appearing scientific, an attempted rationalisation for already-held beliefs. They see the forms of science in papers, citations etc, but it seems they cannot or will not truly understand the functional substance behind said forms.

Absolutely. One of the videos he shared with me was just littered with incorrect terminology, wild mixes of wifi and cell-based technologies and misunderstood examples of how the technology works. I've worked with RF comms for years and know people in the industry who are part of the IEEE working groups that define the standards and how they work. He knows that but apparently some American spouting nonsense on youtube trumps me and my colleagues for no reason other than it fits what he believes to be happening. I'm skeptical about a lot of things in the world so when he talks about stuff like the great reset and new normals I do take a step back sometimes and consider what he's saying (and dismissing it obv). But when it comes to RF and wifi and 5G, I KNOW he's talking shit because it's what I do for a living and have been doing for 20 years.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Absolutely. One of the videos he shared with me was just littered with incorrect terminology, wild mixes of wifi and cell-based technologies and misunderstood examples of how the technology works. I've worked with RF comms for years and know people in the industry who are part of the IEEE working groups that define the standards and how they work. He knows that but apparently some American spouting nonsense on youtube trumps me and my colleagues for no reason other than it fits what he believes to be happening. I'm skeptical about a lot of things in the world so when he talks about stuff like the great reset and new normals I do take a step back sometimes and consider what he's saying (and dismissing it obv). But when it comes to RF and wifi and 5G, I KNOW he's talking shit because it's what I do for a living and have been doing for 20 years.

I know a 5G shill when I see one

 

[UnderOpenSky]

 

[WouldBe]

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Cooked by the radiation from the nearest mobile phone mast.

 

[Maggot]

Anti-5G necklaces found to be radioactive

Conspiracy theories about 5G have fuelled a market for "anti-5G" accessories.

www.bbc.co.uk

How ironic.