Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.

[Gramsci]

I really don't think there was anything particularly wrong with the original Olowade article, what do you think was un-nuanced about that article? (Admittedly, on re-reading it, the bit about "Which also means that more than half of black Caribbean people and two thirds of black African people say they experienced no racist assault. All of this from a survey many have used to conclude that Britain is far from being a racially just society" isn't great, but I don't think it damns the article as a whole.)
I did find it interesting that the results for Other Black were so different to Black African and Caribbean, not sure why that is though. Either way, I think the study makes it clear that GRT people are affected by institutional racism, and I think it was really unhelpful to deny/downplay that.

She says that more than once in the article:

Because the corollary of one third of ethnic minority people reporting that they have experienced racist assault is that two thirds of ethnic minority people have not.

And complains about what she terms "progressives" typical response to reports such as this. That this shows we live in a racist society. Despite quoting the leader of the report who says the findings show that:

UK is immeasurably far from being a racially just society. The kinds of inequality we see in our study would not be there if we had a really just society.”

So the way I read her article she is diagreeing with what the leader of the report says.

Seems to be saying because two thirds did not report racial assault "progressives" should not make such a thing about it. In her view this is what "progressives" think:

Any racial abuse against any individual is morally abhorrent, and civil society has a moral duty to oppose prejudice

I suppose she is doing the how one sees the glass. Half full or half empty.

Myself I would agree with the leader of the report. And that any racial abuse is abhorent. Even if it is "only" one third of the respondents.

She then mixes this in with critique of the White Supremacy line of argument. Which apparently is held by the same "progressives"

I have issues with the White Supremacy line of thinking about race for different reasons. Excludes class for one. Also any political mechanism for solidarity across ethnic lines. Which in my area I can find annoying.

But is not to just chucked aside. Looking at the context of this countries history of imperialism and Id say White Supremacy is a big part of that history. Used to justify Empire over its long life. To the very end of it. Even if it was of the supposedly benevolent "trusteeship" variant. The Black working class people in my area are descendents of those enslaved in the Carribbean. And still subject to for example institutional racism in the Met.

Reading some of the actual report and I dont have a problem with the way they have introduced more categories- Roma and Jewish people for example. The have a chapter on political involvement inclusing BLM.

Nor do I think the original report is saying their is no such thing as White Supremacy. The report itself is rather dry reading and hesitent about making political judgements.

It however is not to be interpreted as saying that because two thirds of ethnic minority people do not report assualts that implies saying that this society is not that racist. Report is clear - racism is still a big factor in different ways affecting peoples lives.

The report does have some surprising results as you have noticed.Another is level of trust in mainstream poitical institutions is higher in most ethnic minorities than in white British. I would have thought it wouid be the other way around. But its not.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What else was he gonna do though. I mean if you keep making these fuck ups as I say, your enemies are going to capitlise on them. From Starmer's PoV, like or not, to do nothing would have just allowed the Tories and related press to go all in on, Labour has a problem with anti semitism again

The answer to that question is in a previous link. If a labour right winger says something that is actually antisemitic and then apologises that's fine.

A bunch of labour members have been kicked out for anti-Semitism. A hugely disproportionate number of them have been Jewish.

Starmer doesn't give a shit about anti-Semitism. That's not what this is about.

 

[StakerOne]

Where's 'around here,' anti-woke hero? And why are you capitalising 'White'?

• I find myself in a minority on this particular forum re middlecass wokians and given how vindictive some people are, I don't think you'd blame me for declining to self-dox myself.
• I'm not an "anti-woke" hero. I don't know which would be sadder, someone who agrees with me and who thinks I'm the solution to any problem or someone who opposes me and actually sees me as a threat!
• I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cunts. And before you ask, no I don't buy any newspapers or take any newspaper websites seriously, especailly the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

Back on topic ... and on the subject of double standards ...

All eyes on the House of Commons ... I don't agree with much of what Andrew Budgen had to say and his words about vaccinations being the biggest humanitarian disaster since the holocaust were plainly wrong and insensitive.

But I'll tell you this. I'd be surprised, very surprised, if any of them MPs walk out of the chamber the next time Diane Abbot speaks. That's not Diane's fault. That's hopeless middle class wokeness with all the trimmings.

The truth of the matter is that the tories for all of their faults, have promoted Black people and other minorities based on their abilities. And it's been a success because there are more minorities at higher levels in the tories.

Do you understand what wokeness is now? It's policies (and actions) that on face value are supposed to counter problems that minorities and other vulnerable people (including poor vulnerble White people) when really they are designed to do the opposite and the opposite does indeed happen.

Labour in the UK, are exactly like the Democrats in the United States.

Both have policies that are supposed to look and feel like anti-racism, but really those policies are designed to be racist. Yes they are designed to keep ethnic minorities down.

If you're a middle class cunt, that doesn't want ethnic minorities to be a serious compitition to get that job you want your child to land after an expensive education, vote Labour, to look anti-racist, but to get racist outcomes that hold ethnic minorities back.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The Daily Mail's aim is what now?

 

[editor]

• I find myself in a minority on this particular forum re middlecass wokians and given how vindictive some people are, I don't think you'd blame me for declining to self-dox myself.
• I'm not an "anti-woke" hero. I don't know which would be sadder, someone who agrees with me and who thinks I'm the solution to any problem or someone who opposes me and actually sees me as a threat!
• I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cunts. And before you ask, no I don't buy any newspapers or take any newspaper websites seriously, especailly the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

Back on topic ... and on the subject of double standards ...

All eyes on the House of Commons ... I don't agree with much of what Andrew Budgen had to say and his words about vaccinations being the biggest humanitarian disaster since the holocaust were plainly wrong and insensitive.

But I'll tell you this. I'd be surprised, very surprised, if any of them MPs walk of the chamber the next time Diane Abbot speaks. That's not Diane's fault. That's hopeless middle class wokeness with all the trimmings.

The truth of the matter is that the tories for all of their faults, have promoted Black people and other minorities based on their abilities. And it's been a success because there are more minorities at higher levels in the tories.

Do you understand what wokeness is now? It's policies (and actions) that on face value are supposed to counter problems that minorities and other vulnerable people (including poor vulnerble White people) when really they are designed to do the opposite and the opposite does indeed happen.

Labour in the UK, are exactly like the Democrats in the United States.

Both have policies that are supposed to look and feel like anti-racism, but really those policies are designed to be racist. Yes they are designed to keep ethnic minorities down.

If you're a middle class cunt, that doesn't want ethnic minorities to be a serious compitition to get that job you want your child to land after an expensive eductation, vote Labour, to look anti-racist, but to get racist outcomes that hold ethnic minorities back.

You made an absolute fucking twat of yourself with your staggeringly ignorant comments about Brexit and musicians so it's hard to take your opinions on anything seriously.

 

[StakerOne]

You made an absolute fucking twat of yourself with your staggeringly ignorant comments about Brexit and musicians so it's hard to take your opinions on anything seriously.

It's your forum, but you're emotional and illogical.

I've just given you robust and honest answers to your questions and you can't handle me, so you derail this thread about my opinions on a different thread that you banned me from before I could answer your questions on that thread!

You haven't banned me from this thread? Will you?

I've reached out to in an honest way to try and get something logical out of you when you get angry with me but I can honestly say, that when I communicate with you, I have absolutely no idea how you'll react.

You're the biggest mystery I've ever discovered on the internet.

 

[Wilf]

• I find myself in a minority on this particular forum re middlecass wokians and given how vindictive some people are, I don't think you'd blame me for declining to self-dox myself.
• I'm not an "anti-woke" hero. I don't know which would be sadder, someone who agrees with me and who thinks I'm the solution to any problem or someone who opposes me and actually sees me as a threat!
• I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cunts. And before you ask, no I don't buy any newspapers or take any newspaper websites seriously, especailly the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

Back on topic ... and on the subject of double standards ...

All eyes on the House of Commons ... I don't agree with much of what Andrew Budgen had to say and his words about vaccinations being the biggest humanitarian disaster since the holocaust were plainly wrong and insensitive.

But I'll tell you this. I'd be surprised, very surprised, if any of them MPs walk out of the chamber the next time Diane Abbot speaks. That's not Diane's fault. That's hopeless middle class wokeness with all the trimmings.

The truth of the matter is that the tories for all of their faults, have promoted Black people and other minorities based on their abilities. And it's been a success because there are more minorities at higher levels in the tories.

Do you understand what wokeness is now? It's policies (and actions) that on face value are supposed to counter problems that minorities and other vulnerable people (including poor vulnerble White people) when really they are designed to do the opposite and the opposite does indeed happen.

Labour in the UK, are exactly like the Democrats in the United States.

Both have policies that are supposed to look and feel like anti-racism, but really those policies are designed to be racist. Yes they are designed to keep ethnic minorities down.

If you're a middle class cunt, that doesn't want ethnic minorities to be a serious compitition to get that job you want your child to land after an expensive education, vote Labour, to look anti-racist, but to get racist outcomes that hold ethnic minorities back.

What else have you got in your 'intellectual' locker?

'It's really the eco-warriors who are melting the ice caps'?
'Fox hunting, pah! It's those pesky sabs who are shooting Mr Reynard'?
'It was the cat that shut itself in the bin, Catbinlady has always promoted the idea that felines should exist outside of the confines of waste receptacles'.

 

[two sheds]

Along with joining the rich middle class wokians in the gated community it's his driving ambition to join, along with the upper middle class bankers he pretends to hate but actually wants to live amongst and have as friends.

Here are some houses he can be looking at to boost his proper working class credentials

Gated communities UK houses for sale - October 2023

See 140 results for Gated communities UK houses for sale at the best prices, with the cheapest property starting from £66,995. Looking for more real estate to buy? Explore Gated Houses for sale as well!

www.newsnow.co.uk

 

[StakerOne]

What else have you got in your 'intellectual' locker?

'It's really the eco-warriors who are melting the ice caps'?
'Fox hunting, pah! It's those pesky sabs who are shooting Mr Reynard'?
'It was the cat that shut itself in the bin, Catbinlady has always promoted the idea that felines should exist outside of the confines of waste receptacles'.

I'll tell you what I don't have up my sleeve.

Strwman arguments to mischaraterise people who I disagree with.

I'm a free-thinker who isn't bound by political dogma who can change his mind and opinions with new information.

I don't need to resort to strawman arguments.

Speaking of strawmans, there's another woke double standard.

Have you noticed that when a word involving the word 'man' has negative connotations, the wokians aren't in a hurry to change it to 'person'.

You never hear anyone say 'straw person'.

That's wokeness for you.

Divisive double standards.

 

[StakerOne]

Along with joining the rich middle class wokians in the gated community it's his driving ambition to join, along with the upper middle class bankers he pretends to hate but actually wants to live amongst and have as friends.

Here are some houses he can be looking at to boost his proper working class credentials

Gated communities UK houses for sale - October 2023

See 140 results for Gated communities UK houses for sale at the best prices, with the cheapest property starting from £66,995. Looking for more real estate to buy? Explore Gated Houses for sale as well!

www.newsnow.co.uk

Class and money aren't the same thing.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[krtek a houby]

I'll tell you what I don't have up my sleeve.

Strwman arguments to mischaraterise people who I disagree with.

I'm a free-thinker who isn't bound by political dogmga who can change his mind and opinions with new information.

I don't need to resort to strawman arguments.

Speaking of strawmans, there's another woke double standard.

Have you noticed that when a word involving the word 'mwn' has negative connotations, the wokians aren't in a hurry to change it to 'pereon'.

You never hear anyone say 'straw person'.

That's wokeness for you.

Divisive double standards.

You accuse others of doing precisely what you do.

You still haven't a clue what woke means and you're taking the piss.

But hey, it's all about you getting the attention. Well done.

 

[muscovyduck]

I mean the thing is, if Abbot had turned around and said something like "I'm sorry, what has happened is that I receive a lot of racist abuse, and when you're dealing with that you end up saying things and behaving in certain ways that don't really align with what you actually think, because you're overwhelmed and go into crisis mode. This is why I wrote a draft, so I could edit into something more useful" or whatever, that would have rang true to most minority groups because we all go through that shit. But that's not who she's courting validation from.

 

[two sheds]

Class and money aren't the same thing.

That's why there's all those working class people you pretend to support in your nice expensive gated communities

Here's a nice one for a painter and decorator to tuck into:

3 bed house for sale - NewsNow Classifieds

A sensitively refurbished and extended 3-bedroom period semi-detached cottage in a peaceful rural setting on the edge of the sought after New Forest village of Hale. Spring Cottage was formerly one of a pair of semi-detached thatched cottages of period origin standing in an established garden...

www.newsnow.co.uk

 

[Wilf]

I'm a free-thinker who isn't bound by political dogmga who can change his mind and opinions with new information.

Well, my respect for you grows more and more!

 

[Wilf]

I'll tell you what I don't have up my sleeve.

Strwman arguments to mischaraterise people who I disagree with.

I'm a free-thinker who isn't bound by political dogma who can change his mind and opinions with new information.

I don't need to resort to strawman arguments.

Speaking of strawmans, there's another woke double standard.

Have you noticed that when a word involving the word 'mwn' has negative connotations, the wokians aren't in a hurry to change it to 'person'.

You never hear anyone say 'straw person'.

That's wokeness for you.

Divisive double standards.

This is pretty much like an AI bot, but designed by Gerald Ratner.

 

[StakerOne]

Well, my respect for you grows more and more!

I'm going to bed. My phone is not the best for posting without embarrassing typos. And editing is far harder on this thing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm going to bed. My phone is not the best for posting without embarrassing typos. And editing is far harder on this thing.

Was that post a draft you hadn't intended to send. Maybe you would like to disassociate yourself from everything it says?

 

[two sheds]

Class and money aren't the same thing.

Here's a nice one, although you'll be competing for a mortgage against moneyed cleaners and gardeners:

4 bed house for sale - NewsNow Classifieds

A MODERN, SPACIOUS, SEMI-DETACHED property with GARAGE, PRIVATE GARDEN & OFF-ROAD PARKING. Ideally situated within catchment for a number of outstanding schools, equidistant from both Hale Village and Altrincham Town Centre, and nearby to a number of transport links including the train network...

www.newsnow.co.uk

 

[PR1Berske]

• I find myself in a minority on this particular forum re middlecass wokians and given how vindictive some people are, I don't think you'd blame me for declining to self-dox myself.
• I'm not an "anti-woke" hero. I don't know which would be sadder, someone who agrees with me and who thinks I'm the solution to any problem or someone who opposes me and actually sees me as a threat!
• . I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cuntsAnd before you ask, no I don't buy any newspapers or take any newspaper websites seriously, especailly the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

Back on topic ... and on the subject of double standards ...

All eyes on the House of Commons ... I don't agree with much of what Andrew Budgen had to say and his words about vaccinations being the biggest humanitarian disaster since the holocaust were plainly wrong and insensitive.

But I'll tell you this. I'd be surprised, very surprised, if any of them MPs walk out of the chamber the next time Diane Abbot speaks. That's not Diane's fault. That's hopeless middle class wokeness with all the trimmings.

The truth of the matter is that the tories for all of their faults, have promoted Black people and other minorities based on their abilities. And it's been a success because there are more minorities at higher levels in the tories.

Do you understand what wokeness is now? It's policies (and actions) that on face value are supposed to counter problems that minorities and other vulnerable people (including poor vulnerble White people) when really they are designed to do the opposite and the opposite does indeed happen.

Labour in the UK, are exactly like the Democrats in the United States.

Both have policies that are supposed to look and feel like anti-racism, but really those policies are designed to be racist. Yes they are designed to keep ethnic minorities down.

If you're a middle class cunt, that doesn't want ethnic minorities to be a serious compitition to get that job you want your child to land after an expensive education, vote Labour, to look anti-racist, but to get racist outcomes that hold ethnic minorities back.

I can see how you're tiptoeing around the subject because you know how certain phrases will land you in trouble and I commend your dexterity in that regard.


Truth is, on the postal votes thread you were quick to label the rest of us as anti-democratic and middle class for not falling in line behind your opinions.


In the crypto thread you seem to be the lone voice in favour of some wacko tech-bro dream while labelling the rest of the thread as authoritarians who can't set themselves free.


In this thread you're spreading words like woke and middle class around like an AI-bot on a diet of Daily Mail opinion pieces.


And as for capitalising 'white', that's something I recognise as a calling card of the extreme and far-right. You may not be from that fringe and I don't accuse you of being. It's just a notable quirk.

What does this explanation mean? You capitalise the word unlike the Daily Mail.....and so.....what? You perhaps missed the second part of your explanation.

• I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cunts

 

[ElizabethofYork]

• I find myself in a minority on this particular forum re middlecass wokians and given how vindictive some people are, I don't think you'd blame me for declining to self-dox myself.
• I'm not an "anti-woke" hero. I don't know which would be sadder, someone who agrees with me and who thinks I'm the solution to any problem or someone who opposes me and actually sees me as a threat!
• I capitalise the word "White" (when I remember to) because I don't believe in divisive double-standards, unlike the Associated Press, who are a pack of woke middle-class race baiting cunts. And before you ask, no I don't buy any newspapers or take any newspaper websites seriously, especailly the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

Back on topic ... and on the subject of double standards ...

All eyes on the House of Commons ... I don't agree with much of what Andrew Budgen had to say and his words about vaccinations being the biggest humanitarian disaster since the holocaust were plainly wrong and insensitive.

But I'll tell you this. I'd be surprised, very surprised, if any of them MPs walk out of the chamber the next time Diane Abbot speaks. That's not Diane's fault. That's hopeless middle class wokeness with all the trimmings.

The truth of the matter is that the tories for all of their faults, have promoted Black people and other minorities based on their abilities. And it's been a success because there are more minorities at higher levels in the tories.

Do you understand what wokeness is now? It's policies (and actions) that on face value are supposed to counter problems that minorities and other vulnerable people (including poor vulnerble White people) when really they are designed to do the opposite and the opposite does indeed happen.

Labour in the UK, are exactly like the Democrats in the United States.

Both have policies that are supposed to look and feel like anti-racism, but really those policies are designed to be racist. Yes they are designed to keep ethnic minorities down.

If you're a middle class cunt, that doesn't want ethnic minorities to be a serious compitition to get that job you want your child to land after an expensive education, vote Labour, to look anti-racist, but to get racist outcomes that hold ethnic minorities back.

Christ.

 

[cupid_stunt]

the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left.

 

[Mezzer]

StakerOne said:
"the Daily Mail, who's aim (beyond selling newspapers)has always been to discredit many on the right while mobilising the left."

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[mojo pixy]

You're a white man living in your native white majority country. This is something you have no personal experience of and can only theorise about. Why don't you feel pressure to use skin whitening cream?

Most White people I know want the opposite, and spend hours and days trying to make themselves darker in the sunshine. Some even apply lotions to pretend they're darker than they are. I have no idea why so many pale people want to look darker and I wonder if it's similar to why so many dark people want to look paler? And how this relates to hierarchies of racism, if at all.

 

[StakerOne]

I can see how you're tiptoeing around the subject because you know how certain phrases will land you in trouble and I commend your dexterity in that regard.


Truth is, on the postal votes thread you were quick to label the rest of us as anti-democratic and middle class for not falling in line behind your opinions.


In the crypto thread you seem to be the lone voice in favour of some wacko tech-bro dream while labelling the rest of the thread as authoritarians who can't set themselves free.


In this thread you're spreading words like woke and middle class around like an AI-bot on a diet of Daily Mail opinion pieces.


And as for capitalising 'white', that's something I recognise as a calling card of the extreme and far-right. You may not be from that fringe and I don't accuse you of being. It's just a notable quirk.

What does this explanation mean? You capitalise the word unlike the Daily Mail.....and so.....what? You perhaps missed the second part of your explanation.

I'm open minded, but not so open minded that I'd be gaslighted into believing that capitalising the word "Black" but not "White" is somehow helping Black people and is widely adopted by British society with the exception of the far right.

Normal people outside of woke central, strive for equality and would either capitalise both words or neither when describing those races.

Labour and and great swathe of middle class woke racist fucks will do anything to keep racism alive and kicking in the UK.

I will never blame people like Diane Abbot on this regard she is a victim of Labour's racist policies.

And if you think you know what I'm thinking and you're used to dealing people in such a way, then check your privilege.

Now considering you're going to do nothing more than accuse me of racism because I won't bend the knee to fucking racist wokery, I'm putting you on ignore so we can stay on topic.

Don't bother replying to me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't bother replying to me.

Maybe it's time we all took his advice

 

[PR1Berske]

Maybe it's time we all took his advice

I've not even had breakfast and I've been whacked with a "you're on ignore, don't bother replying" like its a Proboards messageboard strop from 2001. Remarkable.

 

[teqniq]

'woke racist fucks' Delusional.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've not even had breakfast and I've been whacked with a "you're on ignore, don't bother replying" like its a Proboards messageboard strop from 2001. Remarkable.

You'll get used to it, I have

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm going to bed. My phone is not the best for posting without embarrassing typos. And editing is far harder on this thing.

On your own I expect