Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP.
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What else was he gonna do though. I mean if you keep making these fuck ups as I say, your enemies are going to capitlise on them. From Starmer's PoV, like or not, to do nothing would have just allowed the Tories and related press to go all in on, Labour has a problem with anti semitism again
Pickman's model
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Up the thread are examples of where white men have said dubious things eg the shekels comment and nothings been done. But when a black woman says something she retracts action's taken. Labour may have an issue with as but it certainly has a shammer problem
CH1
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I would be very sad if they got rid of John McDonaell.
He was always the most personable and intellectually sound of the lefties.
He would have been a better leader than Corbyn IMHO - though my views don't count - haven't been a Labour member since 1972!
He should have had the whip withdrawn too but a letter like this to a national paper, is still a bit more of a faux pah than an antisemetic tweet.
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8ball
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Yeah, that does seem weird (especially reading the thread from back to front as I tend to).
I'm a little surprised that Abbott's letter led to this (seems like fairly standard idpol jostling for position), but obv Starmer got a nudge from someone that there was an opportunity there.
CH1
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No I discovered they were homophobic - and at Manchester Uni where the choice was Soc Soc or Lib Soc I chose Lib Soc.
I'm sure you would be aware that Soc Soc was more like SWP or suchlike. Even the official Labour Students were riddled with Trots and Marxists.
Somewhat like Urban75 - oooops.........
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you've ever wondered how the nazis managed to find the Jews, the answer's simple - they used census data in many countries, and state of the art IBM machines
Yuwipi Woman
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Yes, it's difficult to find descriptors for how heinous it was.
not a trot
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Winning formula these days.
mojo pixy
interesting times
Black and White (as in people) are capitalised to distinguish from actual physical colour .. zebras and pandas are actually black and white, people tend to actually be shades of pink and brown. Black and White are capitalised for political purposes IIRC
8ball
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While this does appear to be the case, it seems outstandingly stupid.
Your implied suggestion of using pink and brown instead is more sensible.
mojo pixy
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I do think if we're going to refer to people's skin colour we should at least try for accuracy.
8ball
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I demand a box for "Millennium 8213M Plantation Beige" on Government forms.
<I checked a colour chart>
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8ball
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Yes, I expect there are some very sound people who happen to be gammon-coloured.
ska invita
back on the other side
Starmer denounces Diane Abbott's "hierarchy of racism" - literally verbatim what he is accused of overseeing by Martin Forde in his report - does suggest not only can such a thing exists, also suggests Starmer should be consistent and go on to call Forde out for saying such a thing
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Vanilla, Almond, Coffee and Chocolate
CH1
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I see Wikipedia confirms this
IBM in Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe[edit]
The Nazis made extensive use of Hollerith equipment and IBM's majority-owned German subsidiary, Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag), supplied this equipment from the early 1930s. This equipment was critical to Nazi efforts to categorize citizens of both Germany and other nations that fell under Nazi control through ongoing censuses. This census data was used to facilitate the round-up of Jews and other targeted groups, and to catalog their movements through the machinery of the Holocaust, including internment in the concentration camps.
Sasaferrato
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The lesson from the Diane Abbott furore: neither false equivalence nor hierarchies of victimhood help us | Marcus Ryder
This is too sensitive an issue to address without care and precision, says Marcus Ryder of the Lenny Henry Centre for Media Diversity
mojo pixy
interesting times
The thing is, vanilla seeds are black. Almonds are creamy inside but brown outside. Coffee beans are green then yellow then orange then red, before they ever get to be brown. And as for chocolate, who knows? So many colours to choose from...
Fozzie Bear
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This bloke is on the more progressive/liberal* side of the Stamford Hill Jewish community in case anyone was interested in a temperature check.
*I.e. he is actually on twitter and is critical of some of the more mad zealots. I rate him as a good source and he’s got a great dry sense of humour.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
So as well as regular humans we would have Orions, Barsoom Martians and Oompah Lumpa's covered as well.
mojo pixy
interesting times
DaveCinzano
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Agent Sparrow
AGENT TRAITOR; fools 8 year olds
The thing that I keep going back to is, as clumsily and poorly as she may have put it, Starmer* has deliberately stripped all context and conversation away from her saying this as a Black woman who has frequently been on the receiving end of racism, in order to be able to boot her. That feels like a pretty racist act in itself.
What an end to the career of the first Black woman MP and the longest serving Black MP
*who incidentally I’m struggling to see as part any group identity who faces marginalisation
What an end to the career of the first Black woman MP and the longest serving Black MP
*who incidentally I’m struggling to see as part any group identity who faces marginalisation
8ball
Check your privet hedge
The thing that I keep going back to is, as clumsily and poorly as she may have put it, Starmer* has deliberately stripped all context and conversation away from her saying this as a Black woman who has frequently been on the receiving end of racism, in order to be able to boot her. That feels like a pretty racist act in itself.
What an end to the career of the first Black woman MP and the longest serving Black MP
*who incidentally I’m struggling to see as part any group identity who faces marginalisation
I wouldn’t go as far as racist, but given the amount of that racism directed at Abbott over the years it does feel a bit rum and opportunistic.
Middle-aged, middle class, straight white men are the real victims here.
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