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The thing is he's starving hungry and I know that if I give him "nice" things he'll wolf them down and be sick - so he has to have renal which he hates and won't eat even without the antacid in it - this really is a merry-go-round and the old "why don't you catch him and give him the medicine in his mouth" solution is only going to work once - after that we'll only see him in a few days and then he'll have missed his meds

The little shit is doing my head in

Up the top of the garden with you my old son if you're not careful
 
Quick trip up the top of the garden for him if he doesn't buck his ideas up - little shit

He simply won't eat the renal stuff now - either he's got me trained or he's got a will of iron - but he'd rather starve than eat what's good for him and he'd NEVER starve

Last weigh in he was still 4.18 kgs so he's not wasting away but he used to be 6.6kgs and he was a tad over weight then - so you can see how much he's come down over the last few years
 
That was almost a double post only the first post didn't appear so I may have repeated myself
 
Now the little shit doesn't like chicken either - the damn animal eats better'n me at the moment and all I get is a whinging'meow which translates into - "I don't want to eat this, Dad. Got anything else/better?"
 
I give up - he's turned his nose up as pretty much everything this afternoon - from "good" for him food to "bad" for him food - both with and without meds in the and he's just not eating anything

Guess who's gonna be a hungry boy in the morning and will eat whatever's put in front of him tomorrow then
 
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High Voltage said:
I give up - he's turned his nose up as pretty much everything this afternoon - from "good" for him food to "bad" for him food - both with and without meds in the and he's just not eating anything

Guess who's gonna be a hungry boy in the morning and will eat whatever's put in front of him tomorrow then
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:( have you tried tuna? That's what I turn to if all else fails. The tins in springwater
 
I've tried meats which are "lower" in protein because of his kidney problems - from reading the highest protein appears to be fish so I've tried to avoid this where possible

BUT

If the little shit doesn't buck his ideas up soon and start eating something either with or without meds then tuna / fish will be the only option
 
To be honest, to get him eating I'd buy him Tuna steaks and be glad of it - but I'm not convinced that this would work either - at the moment he's got a bit of a "head on" when it comes to not eating

He was a little sick this morning for the first time in quite a few days, the antacid is what he really needs to settle down his stomach but he won't eat food with it in - I've got a fountain pen filling syringe which I was toying with the idea earlier of "injecting" the antacid into piece of - whatever it is that I can get him to eat - this is the lengths I'm prepared to go to keep this little sod going - in fairness he's probably not eaten too badly today - just missing out on his antacids, so, hopefully, he won't be sick tonight/tomorrow morning and we can start the process all over again
 
High Voltage said:
I've tried meats which are "lower" in protein because of his kidney problems - from reading the highest protein appears to be fish so I've tried to avoid this where possible

BUT

If the little shit doesn't buck his ideas up soon and start eating something either with or without meds then tuna / fish will be the only option
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It's always worked for me, I think it's the fact that it's so smelly it stimulates their appetite.
Venison worked well once when one of mine needed to be persuaded to eat :oops: I think that works on the scientific principle of cats liking expensive food
 
See earlier in this thread for what I've fed our cats on - I'm embarrassed at the list - Mrs Voltz came home yesterday with £40+ worth of cat treats in the hope that something would work <shrug>
 
High Voltage said:
NEVER!!

play poker with a cat

Now the little sod's eating his proper renal food and NOT eating Chicken, Liver and Cat Treats

I give up
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels the need to relay the frustrations of feline ownership, us being owned by the cats of course, in detail. It somehow eases the tension!
 
Mogden it's not frustration, it's massive stress

We've already lost one cat this year - we originally had 3 and then Jess had to be pts due to cancer quite some time ago - then this year the same happen to Rusty, same cause - there was a gap between losing Jess and Rusty but I "chose" Jess from a cat rescue, same with Rusty and then Bob was acquired by my ex- by simply feeding him and I ended up adopting him

Them along came Mrs Voltz who'd never had a pet of any kind - and she was immediately accepted by Jess, begrudgingly accepted by Rusty and over a long and tortuous time by Bob - we'll over the years, we've lost 2 and now, from a 3 cat family, we're now down to 1 and we can't get any more to build up the numbers because Bob is such a lovely, darling scaredy cat that he'd run a mile from a kitten so we have to - - - - well, you know - - - before we can start the process again

Part of the great thing about not being in work for the time being means I can have some extra time with Bob - I've had to work away a couple of days a week and Mrs Voltz has had to deal with him on those 2 days whilst I've been away and I've been terrified that he'd get really ill whilst I was working away and not be able to get home to assist - well he's got through that, thank him but we're in the final few chapters and I just want to make sure he has a happy and pain free twilight

Ahhhhhh - Little shit - got me going again
 
Now that the weather has turned very cold, next door's cats seem to have mostly moved in with us. I've always been adamant that I didn't want two more cats, especially two that aren't of my choosing. They have been shut out since Thursday morning without food. Their owner turned up for a couple of hours today then left again. No idea if she fed them but they came round here even though she was home.
Our cat Vincent must be feeling sorry for them too because he hasn't objected to them being here. Yet!
 
High Voltage said:
Mogden it's not frustration, it's massive stress

We've already lost one cat this year - we originally had 3 and then Jess had to be pts due to cancer quite some time ago - then this year the same happen to Rusty, same cause - there was a gap between losing Jess and Rusty but I "chose" Jess from a cat rescue, same with Rusty and then Bob was acquired by my ex- by simply feeding him and I ended up adopting him

Them along came Mrs Voltz who'd never had a pet of any kind - and she was immediately accepted by Jess, begrudgingly accepted by Rusty and over a long and tortuous time by Bob - we'll over the years, we've lost 2 and now, from a 3 cat family, we're now down to 1 and we can't get any more to build up the numbers because Bob is such a lovely, darling scaredy cat that he'd run a mile from a kitten so we have to - - - - well, you know - - - before we can start the process again

Part of the great thing about not being in work for the time being means I can have some extra time with Bob - I've had to work away a couple of days a week and Mrs Voltz has had to deal with him on those 2 days whilst I've been away and I've been terrified that he'd get really ill whilst I was working away and not be able to get home to assist - well he's got through that, thank him but we're in the final few chapters and I just want to make sure he has a happy and pain free twilight

Ahhhhhh - Little shit - got me going again
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Sorry to downplay it. I hope it all works out and the stress levels drop.
 
((High Voltage))

It can be difficult to get medication into pets.
First off, I would ask your vet if there is any other way of delivering the medication (I imagine for antacids oral medication is necessary, but something in pill or capsule form, if such a thing is available, may be easier to administer than a liquid), I have always found my vet very helpful when it comes to working out the best way to get meds into a pet with minimum stress, and every pet is different.

Glad to hear that he is now eating again, if he refuses to eat for more than 24 hours then phone the vet for advice as stopping eating for longer than that can be serious especially if he already has some medical issues. Anorexia can a symptom of kidney issues, but needs to be treated asap before there is further impact on the organs.

If you have to forcibly pill him, keep in the forefront of your mind that it is for the good of his health and needs to be done, and usually the best way to do it is firmly and quickly. Often the easiest way is once you have hold of him, kneel on the floor with your knees apart and place him between your knees facing away from you (cats usually try to go backwards when something they don't like is messing with their face, so this prevents the reverse-maneouver escape) with one hand holding his scruff. Hold the pill between 2 fingers of the other hand with your palm holding his head tilted slightly up, and slip your thumb in the side of his mouth between the molars to open his mouth, then put the pill on the back of his tongue.

The method for forcibly administering liquid medication orally is slightly different but can be done in the same handling position, just use a small syringe without a needle (your vet can provide one a suitable size for the dose) and put the syringe in the mouth between the molars once you have opened the mouth. THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE WITH GIVING A LIQUID (sorry to shout, but it is important!) is that you do not put it at the back of the tongue or angle the syringe towards their throat because you don't want them to choke on it or inhale it into their lungs, you do it across the tongue and slowly. If in doubt, ask your vet or a veterinary nurse to show you how. This usually gets it over and done with quicker than buggering about with their food trying to hide the meds.

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That image comes from http://www.wikihow.com/Give-Cats-Liquid-Medicine which gives excellent step by step instructions.

(EDIT: I would add "wear a longsleeve sweatshirt" to the list of instructions just in case, Jakey hates the carrier and although he is normally a gentle creature and it was in no way malicious, he panicked when I was putting him in the carrier to take him to have his tumour removed and my arms got a bit shredded as I was wearing a short-sleeved t-shirt. Long sleeves always a good idea when handling pets for something necessary that they may not enjoy).
 
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((High Voltage))

It can be difficult to get medication into pets.
First off, I would ask your vet if there is any other way of delivering the medication (I imagine for antacids oral medication is necessary, but something in pill or capsule form, if such a thing is available, may be easier to administer than a liquid), I have always found my vet very helpful when it comes to working out the best way to get meds into a pet with minimum stress, and every pet is different.

Glad to hear that he is now eating again, if he refuses to eat for more than 24 hours then phone the vet for advice as stopping eating for longer than that can be serious especially if he already has some medical issues. Anorexia can a symptom of kidney issues, but needs to be treated asap before there is further impact on the organs.

If you have to forcibly pill him, keep in the forefront of your mind that it is for the good of his health and needs to be done, and usually the best way to do it is firmly and quickly. Often the easiest way is once you have hold of him, kneel on the floor with your knees apart and place him between your knees facing away from you (cats usually try to go backwards when something they don't like is messing with their face, so this prevents the reverse-maneouver escape) with one hand holding his scruff. Hold the pill between 2 fingers of the other hand with your palm holding his head tilted slightly up, and slip your thumb in the side of his mouth between the molars to open his mouth, then put the pill on the back of his tongue.

The method for forcibly administering liquid medication orally is slightly different but can be done in the same handling position, just use a small syringe without a needle (your vet can provide one a suitable size for the dose) and put the syringe in the mouth between the molars once you have opened the mouth. THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE WITH GIVING A LIQUID (sorry to shout, but it is important!) is that you do not put it at the back of the tongue or angle the syringe towards their throat because you don't want them to choke on it or inhale it into their lungs, you do it across the tongue and slowly. If in doubt, ask your vet or a veterinary nurse to show you how. This usually gets it over and done with quicker than buggering about with their food trying to hide the meds.

images


That image comes from http://www.wikihow.com/Give-Cats-Liquid-Medicine which gives excellent step by step instructions.

(EDIT: I would add "wear a longsleeve sweatshirt" to the list of instructions just in case, Jakey hates the carrier and although he is normally a gentle creature and it was in no way malicious, he panicked when I was putting him in the carrier to take him to have his tumour removed and my arms got a bit shredded as I was wearing a short-sleeved t-shirt. Long sleeves always a good idea when handling pets for something necessary that they may not enjoy).
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We'd get to do that once with Bob - and then we'd not see him again for several days - if you miss getting him into the cat box then he's gone and goes into hiding - we do need to have a long term, non-cat-grabby-hold method involving food - and it's looks like tuna seems to be today's solution and we'll go back to liver tomorrow

When we moved to this house he went into hiding in the airing cupboard for nearly a month, only coming out when we were at work to eat and use his facilities - you just couldn't get a hand on him during that time and he hasn't got any easier to catch with age
 
Trying Vastra on Whiskas wet food instead of Iams... she's had a problem with overgrooming until she gets bald patches and the vet suggested it was an allergy but was upfront that tests to find out what it could be would be a) expensive and b) probably inconclusive as well, so I didn't go for it.

Last week, for reasons I'm not sure of, our upstairs neighbours (no cats) left us a bag with a few sachets of wet food and I reckoned Vastra was grooming herself less on the days she ate them, so going to try a week or so without the Iams. Looking online a few posts I saw suggested some mogs are allergic to the grains in Iams, so we'll see.
 
Cloo said:
Trying Vastra on Whiskas wet food instead of Iams... she's had a problem with overgrooming until she gets bald patches and the vet suggested it was an allergy but was upfront that tests to find out what it could be would be a) expensive and b) probably inconclusive as well, so I didn't go for it.

Last week, for reasons I'm not sure of, our upstairs neighbours (no cats) left us a bag with a few sachets of wet food and I reckoned Vastra was grooming herself less on the days she ate them, so going to try a week or so without the Iams. Looking online a few posts I saw suggested some mogs are allergic to the grains in Iams, so we'll see.
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Sachin overgrooms himself when he is stressed, usually when he feels slightly neglected. Not horrid neglect you understand, just I've been rather busy and not fussed him to his standards or one of the others is getting a bit more attention than him stressed. Sounds like the food change will work but just putting it out there. And does that mean your neighbours have been feeding Vastra too?? Or paying particular interest?
 
She does look a bit tubby and we don't feed her much, so I have wondered if someone else is feeding her.

People have suggested stress, but it doesn't really make sense, as our last cat was the most neurotic, running away from everything cat in the whole world but never did this, and Vastra is very chilled out, seems fairly unbothered by the kids and generally calm, so I'd be a little surprised if she was having a stress reaction when her predecessor didn't.
 
Cats can develop allergies to cereals etc. Ours did, literally overnight she went from being fine to spewing all over the shop. She gets co-op wet pouches in gravy and James Wellbeloved dry. She gets Applaws tins as a special treat.

Never had a problem since switching the dry food to cereal / grain free.

Also, if you order the stuff online it works out as being really good value.
 
Cloo said:
She does look a bit tubby and we don't feed her much, so I have wondered if someone else is feeding her.

People have suggested stress, but it doesn't really make sense, as our last cat was the most neurotic, running away from everything cat in the whole world but never did this, and Vastra is very chilled out, seems fairly unbothered by the kids and generally calm, so I'd be a little surprised if she was having a stress reaction when her predecessor didn't.
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I don't think it's stress either, more likely the food but any excuse to talk about my cats :) I'd certainly give the double feeding some thought.
 
Shirl said:
Now that the weather has turned very cold, next door's cats seem to have mostly moved in with us. I've always been adamant that I didn't want two more cats, especially two that aren't of my choosing. They have been shut out since Thursday morning without food. Their owner turned up for a couple of hours today then left again. No idea if she fed them but they came round here even though she was home.
Our cat Vincent must be feeling sorry for them too because he hasn't objected to them being here. Yet!
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Sorry bit late in the day but this kind of shit (your neighbour) really pisses off. You would do that with a dog so why is it ok with a cat? :mad:
 
trashpony said:
Sorry bit late in the day but this kind of shit (your neighbour) really pisses off. You would do that with a dog so why is it ok with a cat? :mad:
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She really pisses me off too.
The cats stayed in ours until Saturday morning. They went out after we fed them and I think someone (not her) came around lunchtime and let them into next door then went away again. They've been shut in since then but my neighbour hasn't been back. She usually comes back on Monday afternoon.
I know she's going away for christmas so if they get shut out we will have them in here. I've offered to let them in/out feed them in the past but she always says 'no thanks' and another neighbour offered not long ago but her offer was dismissed too. :(
 
Now we've got Bob on Zantac 75 for his antacid medication - the advantage of this is that it comes in tablet form, so can be crushed up and put in with food and it doesn't smell or taste of mint - frustratingly it would appear, most if not all cat / dog(?) antacid medication is actually for humans and humans need their meds made palatable - Bob, of course, doesn't like mint

also

5 Zantac 75s from the vet £6+

12 Zantac 75s from Boots £3.79

So if these work I'll simply cut the vet out of the equation for any repeat meds

He did have a bit of an "upset tummy" last night as his "box" indicated and he was also sick in the night - so, whilst "normal" food to get meds into him is OK - I've got to stop feeding him non-renal as meals unless he really is starving hungry and we've got to watch the Loxicom as this can and does cause "upsets" - both Branford AND Bingley iykwim
 
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