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Haughty and Superior
Yeah, they may have had to shift into second gear to easily brush England aside...
World Cup beef! Mesut Ozil attacks some England players for being bored.
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Yeah, they may have had to shift into second gear to easily brush England aside...
mwgdrwg
Be a Pisces. Jam.
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It's my turn. The English nation had it's turn when they thought they were going to win the World Cup!
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
They were there to play football and not to party
in the end they did neither
C'mon Germany
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
Loving how defensive people get about this. Shame england couldn't be. 
mattie
missing in inaction
I'm enveloped by a warm feeling of schadenfreude, it must be said.
My guttedness is mitigated by the thought that John Terry might never play in a World Cup ever again.
Does that make me a bad man?
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Not really, it's so clearly a goal there's no discussion to be had. Some people think the English third goal in 1966 wasn't a goal.
mattie
missing in inaction
I believe that's the sort of extrapolation LC was talking about.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
So Upson, Terry and Barry would suddenly have gained positional sense? And stopped being slower than my gran tracking back? They were all over the place and were the players at fault for the German goals.
Although England would have had a better chance of winning I still think the result, ie Germany going through, would have been the same. Germany's goals came from English mistakes on the break that could have happened even if the score was 2-2.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Apart from the fact everyone in the England team was positionally and strategically adjusting, readjusting and compensating for Gerrard's ill-discipline/lack of caring, I'm really not going to get involved . . . sorry.
This is one of those theoretical situations when anyone making confident conclusions seems daft imo
There was a goodly probability that Germany would win even if that goal had gone in, but <insert other cliches here> football's a funny old game and the underdog/underachiever hanging on is hardly a unusual situation.
If England had been lucky, they could well have dragged it down to a dire draw and penaltes again. Chasing the game is very different to going into the break level after two quick strikes - given that England's problems seemed as much mental as tactical, it seems silly to make confident predictions either way. Few would have predicted that Argentina would have done worse and looked more toothless than England for a start
There was a goodly probability that Germany would win even if that goal had gone in, but <insert other cliches here> football's a funny old game and the underdog/underachiever hanging on is hardly a unusual situation.
If England had been lucky, they could well have dragged it down to a dire draw and penaltes again. Chasing the game is very different to going into the break level after two quick strikes - given that England's problems seemed as much mental as tactical, it seems silly to make confident predictions either way. Few would have predicted that Argentina would have done worse and looked more toothless than England for a start
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
How convenient.
"My argument is rubbish, and easily countered, therefore I'm not going to participate anymore"
Steel Icarus
we move
Mesut Özil, yesterday
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Arthur Smith is probably writing a play based on the what ifs premise as we speak. An Evening With Wayne Rooney!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
You would think Ozil would have more sense - after all, the last player to take the piss out of England (and Terry specifically) was Argentina's Demichelis, who insisted:
and then saw his team get twatted even more comprehensively than England did.
http://www.skysports.com/football/world-cup-2010/story/0,27032,12026_6241291,00.html
and then saw his team get twatted even more comprehensively than England did.
http://www.skysports.com/football/world-cup-2010/story/0,27032,12026_6241291,00.html
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
double post
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
I've not heard many people suggesting England deserved to progress or that they've been anything but shite. From the red tops to Capello they've basically been busy writing off the careers of various top-level pros.
The only people who might be making the point that without some frankly atrocious refereeing said spanking might have been less severe or even not happened are members of the England setup who see the writing on the wall.
Personally, I could see their point if they hadn't played their way into the hard half of the draw by playing shite in the first three games. Holland starting XI consists of 4 defenders regarded continent-wide as dodgy/rubbish, 2 midfield destroyers, one enthusiastic labrador, and the 3 most arrogant players in the history of football. They've currently won 6 out of 6, without ever playing well. The problem ain't the personnel for me, it's getting some kind of discipline, intelligence out of this group of players.
The only people who might be making the point that without some frankly atrocious refereeing said spanking might have been less severe or even not happened are members of the England setup who see the writing on the wall.
Personally, I could see their point if they hadn't played their way into the hard half of the draw by playing shite in the first three games. Holland starting XI consists of 4 defenders regarded continent-wide as dodgy/rubbish, 2 midfield destroyers, one enthusiastic labrador, and the 3 most arrogant players in the history of football. They've currently won 6 out of 6, without ever playing well. The problem ain't the personnel for me, it's getting some kind of discipline, intelligence out of this group of players.
