World Cup beef! Mesut Ozil attacks some England players for being bored.

[sihhi]

John Terry said some English players were bored during the Group stages.
Mesut Ozil (Germany) responds:-

"If you find the greatest tournament on earth boring, then you probably shouldn't be there. I've been having a great time here and have cherished every second I've played at the World Cup."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/06/germany-england-mesut-ozil-world-cup

Will John Terry respond? Is Mesut Ozil trying to rub salt into England's wounds?

 

[tarannau]

John Terry's a lousy gobshite that should have his yawning maw sewn up and filled with rocks.

I'm with the Turk here

 

[Onket]

And I'm with the tarannasaurus.

 

[London_Calling]

John Terry has an issue with Capello, I think that much is clear. So do I but I think our reasons probably differ.

 

[editor]

I agree with him here too:

The final result of the game was, nonetheless, never in doubt, despite the Frank Lampard goal, concluded the German: "If the ref doesn't see it, he can't give it – but clearly it was a goal. It was disappointing for England, but I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the match. We were the better team and would have still won

 

[goldenecitrone]

Will John Terry respond? Is Mesut Ozil trying to rub salt into England's wounds?

I'd advise Mesut to keep a close eye on his missus in the coming months now an aggrieved Terry is on the prowl.

 

[Onket]

I agree with him here too:

Yep.

 

[mattie]

I suspect Low isn't as much of a dictator as Capello, and trusts his squad to keep themselves entertained without going too far.

Perhaps because the German football team aren't as juvenile as the English. I'm not sure I agree with the entire iron fist approach, but certainly the behaviour of some of the England team needed addressing, and addressing firmly. If John Terry's bored it's because Capello doesn't trust John Terry not to be a twat.

Still think players shouldn't comment on other players/teams though. Seems a bit snide and unnecessary. It's rare that anyone comes out of it looking that clever.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Wasn't the main complaint of the England team that they were kept cooped up in the hotel, which was in the middle of nowhere, and weren't allowed to enjoy 'the greatest tournament on earth'?

If you're stuck in a hotel all day it really doesn't matter what is going on outside.

 

[London_Calling]

2-2 at half time is another game altogether. Literally.

On what we saw, England wouldn't have deserved to win, but it would have been very different to 4-1, obviously.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I suspect Low isn't as much of a dictator as Capello.

Perhaps because the German football team aren't as juvenile as the English. I'm not sure I agree with the entire iron fist approach, but certainly the behaviour of some of the England team needed addressing, and addressing firmly.

It's also the media though - whether misguidedly or not I think Capello was trying to protect his team from a media who would not leave the team alone if given the chance. Of course, denying them access possibly isn't the best way to counter this...

 

[sihhi]

Wasn't the main complaint of the England team that they were kept cooped up in the hotel, which was in the middle of nowhere, and weren't allowed to enjoy 'the greatest tournament on earth'?

If you're stuck in a hotel all day it really doesn't matter what is going on outside.

But you can discuss set pieces, watch your likely opponents' other games, plan how to defend when you are tired.

 

[London_Calling]

Parts of the English media would have done all they could to set the player/s up for a pratt fall. All in the interests of good journalism, of course.

 

[editor]

2-2 at half time is another game altogether. Literally.

On what we saw, England wouldn't have deserved to win, but it would have been very different to 4-1, obviously.

Makes no odds. They were never ever going to win.

 

[sihhi]

Still think players shouldn't comment on other players/teams though. Seems a bit snide and unnecessary. It's rare that anyone comes out of it looking that clever.

In fairness to Ozil, the question was from Match of the Day magazine asking specifically about Terry's comments after the Algeria draw.

 

[London_Calling]

Makes no odds. They were never ever going to win.

/Dwyer

 

[Maggot]

Makes no odds. They were never ever going to win.

Not true. At 2-2 they would have had a good chance of winning.

 

[TitanSound]

Makes no odds. They were never ever going to win.

They could have possibly won that game if the score was level. But they would not have progressed much further in all honesty.

 

[Lord Camomile]

But you can discuss set pieces, watch your likely opponents' other games, plan how to defend when you are tired.

Booooooooring

Makes no odds. They were never ever going to win.

You've no way of knowing that, especially given the way some of the games in this tournament have gone. As has been said, 2-2 is a very different scoreline, and Germany were looking far from solid at that point. And as has also been pointed out elsewhere, Germany have a clear tactic of hitting teams on the counter as their opposition press for a goal, and there's a lot more pressing to be done if you're a goal behind than if you're all square.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have lost, but "never going to win"? No.

 

[stupid dogbot]

2-2 at half time is another game altogether. Literally.

On what we saw, England wouldn't have deserved to win, but it would have been very different to 4-1, obviously.

4-2 isn't that different.

Ozil, as Onket said ( ) is quite right.

 

[London_Calling]

^ You don't even use the same strategies when drawing. England had more possession in the first half and could sit back, the Germans would not have had the cushion. It's entirely a different game of football, players are in different positions, in different parts of the park . . .

 

[mattie]

2-2 at half time is another game altogether. Literally.

On what we saw, England wouldn't have deserved to win, but it would have been very different to 4-1, obviously.

I agree.

I was gutted because I thought it might kick-start a decent second-half. We'd still have lost, but it would have at least been worth watching.

Instead, we saw a lumbering defence torn to shreds on the break as we were chasing a deficit but proved incapable of holding onto possession anywhere up front.

Germany didn't even need to play good football, they saw and exposed a weak defence perfectly. If the score had been even, we would have seen Germany attacking set defence. I don't doubt they'd have broken it down, but more interesting to watch than seeing Lampard spank the ball straight into a defensive wall - or Cole and others hit the first man on crosses - and then a German player win a footrace to score a goal at the other end.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Please don't turn the English failure into a "if only it had gone to 2-2 we could have won" myth that we won't stop hearing about for another 40 fucking years. Get over it.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Someone at the BBC is probably already planning a documentary and in depth interview with Frank Lampard about the "what ifs". It's enough to bring a bit of sick into my mouth just thinking about it.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Someone at the BBC is probably already planning a documentary and in depth interview with Frank Lampard about the "what ifs". It's enough to bring a bit of sick into my mouth just thinking about it.

It'll be worse if germany win the WC.

 

[mattie]

Someone at the BBC is probably already planning a documentary and in depth interview with Frank Lampard about the "what ifs". It's enough to bring a bit of sick into my mouth just thinking about it.

You love it.

 

[kabbes]

If England had drawn level, Germany would have had to try all over again to score by simply lumping one up the field and having a striker shrug off our defence. Oh noes, however would they have coped?!

 

[mwgdrwg]

It'll be worse if germany win the WC.

It's going to be the new "Hand of God" isn't it. Constantly discussed and and analysed in slo-mo, discussed in depth by pundits, re-enacted in McDonalds and Carlsberg television advertisments etc...

 

[London_Calling]

The only person extrapolating absurd conclusions is you.

 

[mwgdrwg]

You love it.

I'm enveloped by a warm feeling of schadenfreude, it must be said.