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[secateurz]

Do you find moderating this forum and lauding about in the manner above adds meaning to your life?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Actually I think Pickman's is right...not long for this world. Apart from anything else I would imagine his grubby trolly little keyboard is seizing up with ejaculate as I type.

 

[secateurz]

now now, just because somebody is not leaning the same way as you does not mean they are wrong, just different.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Do you find moderating this forum and lauding about in the manner above adds meaning to your life?

I have a very full life....clearly yours is deeply lacking as your entertainment is somewhat shallow.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Do you find moderating this forum and lauding about in the manner above adds meaning to your life?

...and it's lording, not lauding. To laud means to praise as in laudatory.

 

[TonyH82]

You're still entitled to it, just the same as you're entitled to NHS health care regardless of whether you're a millionaire or a pauper.

That's a disgusting attitude.

A sense of entitlement to state benefits is wrong. The welfare state was meant to be contributory. If everyone had that attitude, the welfare state would crumble.

 

[secateurz]

unfortunately self entitlement is everywhere. a poison of the West.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

That's a disgusting attitude.

A sense of entitlement to state benefits is wrong. The welfare state was meant to be contributory. If everyone had that attitude, the welfare state would crumble.

So if someone is born with a severe disability they should be left to die? Hitler started his killing programme on disabled children in 1933. You're taking a very nasty stance there. I believe a society should be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable.

 

[editor]

That's a disgusting attitude.

A sense of entitlement to state benefits is wrong. The welfare state was meant to be contributory. If everyone had that attitude, the welfare state would crumble.

So you don't believe in universal free healthcare? Go live in the US and see how you shape up when you get a serious illness.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I love this use of bold

It's called "emphasis", you witling.

if you are dependent on the state, like you clearly are, then what happened to being grateful for what you are given? when is it enough? if you have to be moved to a less expensive area wouldnt you be glad for the roof over your head?

Why should I be grateful for getting a return on what I've paid in over decades?

Central bank intervention across the world has got the stock markets to these levels...

No, an upward trend exacerbated by central bank intervention has got them to those levels. Only an idiot could place the blame on central banks without blaming the structure and functions of the actual markets too.

I dont care what you say.

You wouldn't. You're convinced you're right.

You are not always right.

Neither have I claimed to be, although it appears that I'm right more often than you are.

My leveller comment wasnt aimed at the super wealthy, it was aimed at everybody else. house prices will fall when it all pops. it is your belief that I am wrong...

It's my belief that housing prices won't be allowed (see? Emphasis!) to fall significantly, just as supply has been constrained for years in order to stop house prices doing a 1993.

but that necessarily make it so.

One assumes that what you actually mean is "that doesn't necessarily make it so".
Ever heard of proofreading?

and your use of bold just makes you like a try hard forum warrior...

Only in your opinion.
Which, lets face it, is worth slightly less than the smegma on a horse's cock.

...well versed with too much time on your hands. which is apt.

Nice little snide remarks about my being dependent on the state/having too much time on my hands. I shouldn't really be surpised, as I already know that you're moronic enough to think people should be grateful to the state, when all most of us are doing is getting a return on our National Insurance and Income Tax contributions, and sometimes on less visible contributions, like our health.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fair enough. What if you havent worked? Or what if you take out more than you put in?

I can't speak for those who've never worked, except to say that for more than 3/4 of the population, they will, during their working lives (i.e. 16-68) contribute enough to qualify for a state pension.

As for your "take out more than you put in", you appear to have missed the point of the basic premise behind National Insurance. It operates, and always has, on the principle of pooled risk. That's why National Insurance returns a surplus to the Treasury every year.
Don't take my word for it - do some research, if you prefer knowledge to wilful ignorance.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I don't think history is their strong point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

also fair enough. Is that right? sustainable? does it matter given the mahoosive miss allocation of spending across the gvmnt anyway ?

You ask if spending is sustainable. A better question would be "is it unsustainable given a system of taxation that doesn't allow the wealthy to avoid paying their due so easily".
The answer, as ever, is that it's entirely sustainable if those loopholes are closed, and no more new ones are opened a la Dave Hartnett.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think history is their strong point.

I don't think THINKING is their strong point, frankly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

in that very specific example they should get all the support they need from the government, that social safety net should never EVER go away

In that "very specific example" it's already gone. Mothers don't get the chance to be carers for their disabled child. They're forced to look for work once the child reaches school age.

 

[ViolentPanda]

so this was all overseen by Labour government aswell?
"We (Labour) are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"


i do agree with you, I have a book called Treasure Islands that just shows having offshore banking havens and ease of capital outside of countries just makes a messy horrible race to the bottom for all. gives a really interesting history of it all.
I would also say I do genuinely believe in Laffer curve style mechanics of a declining tax take, the higher the rate is. I believe the OBR have said the optimal tax rate to be 47%, anything less just painful.
The 45% rate WILL take in more tax than the 50% rate. the rich ARE paying more tax under the coalition. (though with that VAT rise it is not as pronounced.) They are doing the right thing to lower corporation tax, and the right thing lowering to 45% for the higher rate. Does anybody point out literally millions of people are now paying the higher rate cos they lowered the bands? They need to reverse that shit.

the reality of the situation is people blame the Tories, when Labour oversaw this financial clusterfuck we will experience for a generation at least.

I bet you believe that new Labour were "socialist" too.

 

[TonyH82]

So you don't believe in universal free healthcare? Go live in the US and see how you shape up when you get a serious illness.

I believe passionately in free healthcare.

I believe passionately in support for the disabled.

I think it is entirely correct that the state should pay unemployment benefit & housing benefit when people lose their employment.

But out welfare system is out of control. There are far too many universal benefits and people are addicted to them.

It is disgusting that there was such opposition when the government removed child benefit for the well off. Utter madness.

I consider it outrageous that the left-wing press put up such strong resistance to capping benefits at £500 per week for a family. To achieve that income, you would need a job paying >£30k, which is far more than most people make. Why should the state guarantee such a large income?

I think it is madness that my affluent grandparents get a free TV license and winter fuel payments which they end up funneling to their grandchildren.

Unfortunately, the sense of entitlement many people have in this country will make it difficult to reform this system.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Do you find moderating this forum and lauding about in the manner above adds meaning to your life?

"Lording", not lauding. Lauding means (roughly) praising, you twat.

E2A: Damn, beaten to it by that Magpie woman!

 

[Mrs Magpie]

"Lording", not lauding. Lauding means (roughly) praising, you twat.

I've already done that one VP

 

[secateurz]

Why should the state guarantee such a large income?

I look forward to the Lefties on here justifying it.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Why should the state guarantee such a large income?

I look forward to the Lefties on here justifying it.

Why do you think we're lefties? I don't vote labour or even to the left of labour. You have very simplistic views on politics.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

In fact I think there are many one-Nation tories spinning in their graves as I type. I know a lot of Tories who haven't dropped dead of shame yet and they have a lot of disquiet about the current tory party and it's got fuck all to do with gay marriage.

 

[secateurz]

wasnt one nation a Labour thing?

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a disgusting attitude.

A sense of entitlement to state benefits is wrong. The welfare state was meant to be contributory. If everyone had that attitude, the welfare state would crumble.

I'm not convinced. I've read enough research over the decades that I lean more toward accepting that if it hadn't been for the progressive stigmatisation of any sort of direct welfare (as opposed to universal health and education) over the past 30-35 years, that "sense of entitlement" could well have strengthened the welfare state. If people saw it as it was mostly seen between the mid-forties and mid-seventies, as something to invest in, as something to be proud of contributing to, then I'd say that outwith the neoliberal cock-socks that we have governing us (not forgetting those whose ideas they turn into legislation) that we'd see a different picture.
And sure there's a small fragment of the potential workforce that takes the piss - those who the DWP call "the hardcore unemployed", people who've been unemployed for 2 years or more and are labelled as "work avoiders", but they've never been quantified as more than a fragment. something on the order of 120,000 people out of 21 million members of the combined labour force and reserve labour pool. That's all they are though, a small fragment, not the Visigoths at the gate, here to wreck the system. We don't need Visigoths to do that - the neoliberals are doing it themselves.

 

[ViolentPanda]

wasnt one nation a Labour thing?

Conservative. 1950s/60s/70s, washed away by Thatcherism.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

wasnt one nation a Labour thing?

No. You really know nothing, do you?

 

[ViolentPanda]

unfortunately self entitlement is everywhere. a poison of the West.

He's talking about a sense of entitlement, not about self-entitlement.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

self-entitlement.

That's the territory of tax evaders aka thieves

 

[Blagsta]

I love this use of bold! if you are dependent on the state, like you clearly are, then what happened to being grateful for what you are given? when is it enough? if you have to be moved to a less expensive area wouldnt you be glad for the roof over your head?

Central bank intervention across the world has got the stock markets to these levels, I dont care what you say. You are not always right.

My leveller comment wasnt aimed at the super wealthy, it was aimed at everybody else. house prices will fall when it all pops. it is your belief that I am wrong, but that necessarily make it so. and your use of bold just makes you like a try hard forum warrior, well versed with too much time on your hands. which is apt.

What a meaningless statement. You're dependent on the state too, unless you've mastered the art of levitation or something. Idiot.

 

[MrSki]

Conservative. 1950s/60s/70s, washed away by Thatcherism.

Benjamin Disraeli 1850s