Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[phildwyer]

What we are doing and what we have done, in the ME, looked at in hindsight was patently wrong/ foolish.

It wasn't foolısh. It was (and ıs) and calculated plan to destroy Muslım natıons and steal theır natural resources.

A very successful plan on ıts own terms.

The people who desıgned and ımplemented ıt don't consıder terrorısm on the streets of London a serıous drawback. That's the kınd of collateral damage they can lıve wıth very happıly.

 

[phildwyer]

Butchers looks ınto hıs crystal ball, 2009:

Islam is finished in iran thank fuck

Butchers looks ınto hıs crystal ball, 2013:

Not one person or group will ever do anything like this in the UK again

Let's hope someone's crossed hıs palm wıth sılver thıs tıme.

 

[manny-p]

Meant to reply to this first bit last night - pretty sure you can't call my posting style academic!

I really don't get this speaking in tongues thing - i write pretty plainly and say what i mean as best and as simply as i can. That might mean something allusive sometimes, but it's never fucking show offy stuff like articul8 or people like that.

Seriously mate. I do find how you write difficult at times. Sorry to have criticised you in an uncomradely way but I stand by what I said.

 

[malatesta32]

Desperate

you are!

 

[treelover]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/edl-march-newcastle-thousands-protesters-4015897


just seen the media videos of the EDL march thru Newcastle, its massive, they had the roads, etc and I think they may be on a roll

waits for BA to say I am hysterical..

 

[ddraig]

you are certainly weird

 

[laptop]

and thinking wishfully...

 

[treelover]

outrageous slur my man, take it back..

 

[treelover]

Poll reveals rising fears of clashes in wake of Woolwich killing

YouGov poll shows rise in proportion of people who believe British Muslims pose a threat to democracy

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• Daniel Boffey, policy editor
• guardian.co.uk,Saturday 25 May 2013 15.38 BST

An English Defence League supporter takes part in a march in Newcastle on Saturday. Photograph: Jonathan Pow/PA
Nearly two-thirds of people believe there will be a 'clash of civilisations' between British Muslims and white Britons in the wake of the murder of a British soldier in Woolwich, a new poll shows.
The number of those who believe such a clash is inevitable has increased by 9% from last year.
There has also been a small increase in the proportion of people who believe British Muslims pose a serious threat to democracy, up to 34% on Thursday and Friday from 30% in November 2012, according to the YouGov survey of 1,839 adults.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/25/woolwich-attack-islam

Alarrming poll

and shouldn't say it but alarming EDL protestor!

 

[laptop]

Demonstrate your distance from that lot, then...

 

[treelover]

fuck off journo...

 

[ddraig]

is it some kind of fellow traveller then? thought it was just weird

 

[ddraig]

fuck off journo...

are you right wing?

 

[treelover]

what, they had the biggest march for years and it came across as 'legitimate' allowed to march thru the whole city, instead of being caged, even had a minutes silence at Greys Monument, just fuck off.

I am saying they are gaining traction again, which is worrying and you accuse me of RW sympathies, bizarro

 

[JimW]

Alarrming poll

and shouldn't say it but alarming EDL protestor!

Is that 4% bump really that alarming given the tenor of a lot of the coverage? Only just outside the usual margin of error for one thing.

 

[ddraig]

what, they had the biggest march for years and it came across as 'legitimate' allowed to march thru the whole city, instead of being caged, even had a minutes silence at Greys Monument, just fuck off.

I am saying they are gaining traction again, which is worrying and you accuse me of RW sympathies, bizarro

is that an answer to me or are you talking to yourself?

 

[treelover]

JimW
well that's why posted it here, for discussion, the Guardian certainly thinks so

 

[treelover]

is that an answer to me or are you talking to yourself?

to you, and that's its now,

 

[sihhi]

Is that 4% bump really that alarming given the tenor of a lot of the coverage? Only just outside the usual margin of error for one thing.

What exactly do these questions mean, anyway?

There has also been a small increase in the proportion of people who believe British Muslims pose a serious threat to democracy, up to 34% on Thursday and Friday from 30% in November 2012, according to the YouGov survey of 1,839 adults.

 

[ddraig]

to you, and that's its now,

ok, you could have just answered no and i haven't accused you of anything merely asked a question

 

[JimW]

JimW
well that's why posted it here, for discussion, the Guardian certainly thinks so

If this is about the poll bump, surely would need to see it sustained a bit longer and trending upwards before drawing any conclusions.
ETA: Weird, you seem to have tagged me but couldn't see it in original post.

 

[treelover]

What exactly do these questions mean, anyway?

yes, some people questioned won't even know what the word democracy means, but the G see's it as significant

 

[treelover]

If this is about the poll bump, surely would need to see it sustained a bit longer and trending upwards before drawing any conclusions.
ETA: Weird, you seem to have tagged me but couldn't see it in original post.

agreed, this is a very unusual week

 

[ddraig]

If this is about the poll bump, surely would need to see it sustained a bit longer and trending upwards before drawing any conclusions.
ETA: Weird, you seem to have tagged me but couldn't see it in original post.

yesh it just did that to me, do quotes up date themselves now if posters edit them?

 

[Anudder Oik]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/edl-march-newcastle-thousands-protesters-4015897


just seen the media videos of the EDL march thru Newcastle, its massive, they had the roads, etc and I think they may be on a roll

waits for BA to say I am hysterical..

It's a spike, due to the fact that there has "just" been an act of islamic terrorism this week and people's blood is up. It's a shame that it has been the EDl who have harnassed emotions and been able to mobilize people on the street in protest at the killing. They have scored points, albeit probably temporarily. They will quickly slip back into infighting etc...

However, I believe the terrorist attack, together with the one in Boston, and now one in Paris apparently, and the airplane at Stanstead will all have contributed to raising fear a notch and consequently racist perception of muslims in general. UKIP will probably be the big winner out of all this.

 

[JimW]

yesh it just did that to me, do quotes up date themselves now if posters edit them?

False tagging scenario! Call icke.

 

[treelover]

It's a spike, due to the fact that there has "just" been an act of islamic terrorism this week and people's blood is up. It's a shame that it has been the EDl who have harnassed emotions and been able to mobilize people on the street in protest at the killing. They have scored points, albeit probably temporarily. They will quickly slip back into infighting etc...

However, I believe the terrorist attack, together with the one in Boston, and now one in Paris apparently, and the airplane at Stanstead will all have contributed to raising fear a notch and consequently racist perception of muslims in general. UKIP will probably be the big winner out of all this.

good post.

 

[treelover]

btw, the Guardian seems to not be covering the Newcastle EDL march, just mentioning in passing that there was a 'counter march'

 

[coley]

not LOL!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lee-...ved-to-die/392169994232505?hc_location=stream

What is this Shyte?

 

[treelover]

You sick fucking cunt. If you dont like this country then please fuck off. You bring shame to islam. The Muslim community is embarrassed and ashamed of you. I hope your brother father son have to go through what Lee Rigby family is going through now.

he or she seems a bit deranged and plenty of Muslims are very angry.