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Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

People are angry outside of urban most people in the uk like the armed forces they blame the goverment for the wars so attacking a working class squaddie is going to get people pissed.
Most muslims dont want to live in some sharia law shithole or they wouldnt't have moved or stayed in the uk. i imagine they share the revulsion of everybody else plus the feeling that they will be held responsible for this shit much like irish people were blamed during the iras murder spree with the added disadvantage that most muslims are brown:( so easily spotted not that hindus skihs or asian christians will be immune from the edl I expect the Brighton pavillon to be attacked shorty:(
 
coley said:
I'm not opening a FB account to read whatever Shyte they are on about,
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I wouldn't bother mate - not worth it. If you're desperate to know what it is I'll PM you but I'm not going to say what it is on here cos it's incredibly offensive and disrespectful towards the victim.
 
SpineyNorman said:
I wouldn't bother mate - not worth it. If you're desperate to know what it is I'll PM you but I'm not going to say what it is on here cos it's incredibly offensive and disrespectful towards the victim.
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Looks that way, rather not see it, some sick puppies on FB it seems.
 
coley said:
I'm not opening a FB account to read whatever Shyte they are on about,
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You don't need an account, I clicked on it and up it popped. I think that is the first time I have viewed a facebook page:eek:

All looks a bit cluttered to me.
 
1%er said:
You don't need an account, I clicked on it and up it popped. I think that is the first time I have viewed a facebook page:eek:

All looks a bit to cluttered to me.
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Ill give it a miss, originally clicked it and it was a mess of stupidity,a disorganised collection of msgs, FB? No thanks.
 
likesfish said:
Most muslims dont want to live in some sharia law shithole or they wouldnt't have moved or stayed in the uk. i imagine they share the revulsion of everybody else plus the feeling that they will be held responsible for this shit much like irish people were blamed during the iras murder spree with the added disadvantage that most muslims are brown:( so easily spotted not that hindus skihs or asian christians will be immune from the edl I expect the Brighton pavillon to be attacked shorty:(
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But in the past you've hoped the EDL targets Asians and their families for violence. As well as the British armed forces nuking the 'shithole' countries they came from.
 
seventh bullet said:
But in the past you've hoped the EDL targets Asians and their families for violence. As well as the British armed forces nuking the 'shithole' countries they came from.
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Yep - if I remember correctly an Afghan taxi driver who had been working and living in London was found to have been fighting for the Taliban.

likesfish's definitely not mental or racist conclusion - all Asian taxi drivers are now fair game and he hopes they're murdered on the job.

What a pleasant individual.
 
Casually Red said:
well the hungerstrikes proved that the issue of certain death and martyrdom isnt entirely cultural, even the Iranians were taken aback in 81 and sent reps to Bobby Sands funeral . The notion of blood sacrifice goes right back to 1916 and was a major plank of their ideology, and I wouldnt doubt among the various groups thered have been some people prepared to do it .
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What a load of generalised revisionist clap trap!! Where do you even start with such utter ignorance.
 
J Ed said:
They're striking while the iron is hot in the long march towards Chinese-style civil liberties http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/26/theresa-may-measures-combat-terrorism

Never let a good crisis go to waste!
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"I'm absolutely clear that we need to ensure that the intelligence services and, indeed, in policing CT (counter-terrorism policing) … in the last spending review we ensured that CT policing was not treated the same as overall policing and I see every reason to take that same view in the next spending review."
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So thats just the people who responded to the incident, the people who shot the suspects responsible and guarded them in hospital afterwards, the people who managed the incident from the control room, the people who staffed and processed the crime scene, and the people who got called in to stop the EDL smashing up parts of Woolwich that will be cut then.

:facepalm:
 
Good post Ed.

You radicals on here had best watch out when May goes ahead with her 'radicalisation' policies. It's not that there are already sufficient laws to deal with terrorism, acts of violence, incitement to hatred and so on. Oh no, we need more al la Bliar.

"She said those at risk were at "different points on what could be a path to violent extremism", and a task force would look at whether new powers were needed to tackle radicalisation."

What does she mean by 'radicalisation'? Will this only be for specific religious-political groups or will it envelope all who are involved in radical politics? What are radical politics? Who will determine what can and can not be said which is not already covered by existing laws? Could the radicalisation net be cast among those who, for example, oppose GM crops? I'm sure that some global corporations would like to see them de-radicalised. What of those on the far left and far right? Would they too be seen as preaching radicalisation?

One could argue quite reasonably that the Tories have been engaged in radicalisation with all their punitive victimisation policies against the poor, the unemployed and the sick. Never a day has gone by when they haven't tried to set people against each other through their propaganda media machine - Mail, Express and Sun. Yes, yes I know they haven't advocated violence but some would argue quite cogently that violence has more than one interpretation.

No doubt this is a side show - albeit dangerous - to cover up their inability to implement existing laws and to push through the snoopers bill.

A little history of the meaning of radical politics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalism_(historical)

May's Party Piece

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22671932
 
Zabo said:
What does she mean by 'radicalisation'? Will this only be for specific religious-political groups or will it envelope all who are involved in radical politics? What are radical politics? Who will determine what can and can not be said which is not already covered by existing laws? Could the radicalisation net be cast among those who, for example, oppose GM crops? I'm sure that some global corporations would like to see them de-radicalised. What of those on the far left and far right? Would they too be seen as preaching radicalisation?
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I have thought this for years, but any suggestion that anyone made about the 2003 legislation banning incitement racial and religious hatred eventually being used to criminalise other types of speech was shot down with charges of alarmism and racism. Well, people are still persisting in those accusations but those who have warned about that legislation have been vindicated since Irish Republicans, anti-war Muslims and leftists have been targeted successfully prosecuted under the legislation for anti-government sentiment. That isn't going to change, in fact this aggressive policing of speech is increasing.

Both the right and the left are going to cheer on this legislation, and if you look at twitter both are constantly tattling on each other to the police over speech issues like children in a playground, they are enthusiastic because they assume that it will never affect them.

Well, this is aimed at all of us. May says that the security services need to check the e-mail of people AT RISK of radicalisation, that is concievably absolutely anyone. Then once that is in place, what's the next step? Police warrants to check your e-mail if you're suspected of selling a bit of weed?

The thing that's so depressing about all of this is that with a bit of common sense institutions, especially universities, could responsibly police themselves without this survelliance state power grab. That's not happened though, and it won't in the near future but even if we saw some willingness to move towards it I think it's too late now.

This stuff is all just so far off the radar for everyone anyway, coverage of civil liberties is almost entirely absent from the media and the popular consciousness.
 
J Ed said:
This stuff is all just so far off the radar for everyone anyway, coverage of civil liberties is almost entirely absent from the media and the popular consciousness.
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I couldn't agree more. The only time it gets prominence is when the media are highlighting the lack of civil liberties in China, Russia and Belarus et al. When the Pussy Riot members were jailed they gave it a great deal of attention but little if any to those held in Guantamo - with one or two exceptions.

And then there was John Catt. The old chap must have been radicalised.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-21783596

As for the Liberty organisation. Who? What? Where? Yes, right Shami.
http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/about/structure/liberty-director.php
 
I note the lack of media coverage about Woolwich today on the major newsfeeds. Stabbing 200yds from Wednesday's incident, plus the tredl march.
 
whats a 'tredl' march?


BBC news reporting that 700 people held a community march to protest against the killing, but that it was hijacked by EDL, etc

apart from that it is getting increasingly hard to find out what events are happening
 
treelover said:
whats a 'tredl' march?


BBC news reporting that 700 people held a community march to protest against the killing, but that it was hijacked by EDL, etc

apart from that it is getting increasingly hard to find out what events are happening
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Tredl is TheRacistEDL that doesn't show up on cursory google searches.
 
Coming home today I noticed around 5 or 6 police wagons around the square, but everything was pretty quiet, just lots of people enjoying a sunny Sunday afternoon, so figured something had happened or was expected to happen.

Sure enough, got home and my flatmate said he'd heard something going on round the corner while waiting for his bus, but he didn't go to have a look so didn't know what it was, just heard shouting and screaming.
 
Tony Collins appears to be deleting any posts on SU which argue that extremist Islamic Fundamentalists should be challenged at all levels
 

He sure is. I managed to get one in, sort of by linking to my blog:

http://howiescorner.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/facing-up-to-islamic-and-other-extremism.html

but when I re-entered the fray with this (below) I got blocked. kept a copy so you can read it, Fail to see what the problem is.

"This morning the EDL page has over 114,000 ‘likes’, meaning that over 114,000 people are now part of the EDL network and receive EDL messages in their fb feed. I’d say that this is important in a political sense.”
That is worrying and shows why we need to respond to the the attrocity by (a) standing up to the BNP/EDL and (b) the Hate preachers of Islamism at the same time.
Another left wing blog had problems with local salafists last weekend:
http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/jimas-gets-police-to-threaten-tendance-coatesy/
These people are dangerous and a threat to us all regardles of how “left-wing” people consider themselves. The Salafists in Tunisia have already been attacking Trade Unions and at one point burnt down 3 TU offices which was reported on Labourstart.
It needs to be remembered that these people are also a threat to Muslims, not just because they aim to create strife in the wider community (by provoking the boneheads of the far-right) but want to impose their will on other Muslims the vast majority of whom just want to get on with their lives.
Everyone needs to remember by the way that there is no one Muslim Community. My immediate neighbours are from Kosovo and are totally westernised whilst many of my work colleagues differ in country of origin, dress and culture.
Tackling the hate preachers will have to take a multi-faceted approach.
 
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