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Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

Can't believe they're describing that woman as "brave". There's politicians and everything praising her actions. I really hope there's an unspoken understatement to this adjective, and they really mean "stupid". Because that's exactly what it was. If you want to help people, help them run away. She could have gotten herself killed.

Fascinating story though. She should have held on for a few grand from one of the red tops. Can't see that her story will be worth much now, given that she's blabbed to the telegraph and the guardian. I know some people might think its not all about money, but if ever there was a time you could ethically sell your story to the papers, this was it.
 
I think "stupid" and "brave" are often fairly close bedfellows, and I've always kinda hoped I would be 'brave' enough to do what I thought to be the right thing, even though at the same time knowing it would also be quite a stupid thing to do and that's exactly how my parents would see it, or I'd see it if it were someone I cared about.

I've got to learn to write shorter sentences :facepalm:
 
One other thing I meant to say earlier but got lost, I find it remarkable that they supposedly attacked him just because he was wearing a Help for Heroes tshirt. I mean, I suppose they could have been angry merely at his support, but you'd think they'd make sure they knew their target was involved.

Nothing to say they didn't, of course, and the Help for Heroes aspect was just a coincidence.
Also I am wondering how they managed to hit an off-duty soldier in their car - did they drive around in circles until they spotted a target, or did they just drive over the first victim they saw? (The photos kind of suggest that the victim was on the pavement when he was hit and that he was dragged or thrown forwards along the pavement before he and the car came to a stop at a large road sign).

Would they even be able to see what kind of shirt he was wearing or was it, like you said, just a coincidence?
 
Also I am wondering how they managed to hit an off-duty soldier in their car - did they drive around in circles until they spotted a target, or did they just drive over the first victim they saw? (The photos kind of suggest that the victim was on the pavement when he was hit and that he was dragged or thrown forwards along the pavement before he and the car came to a stop at a large road sign).

Would they even be able to see what kind of shirt he was wearing or was it, like you said, just a coincidence?
They probably drove round, or waited for someone looking a bit soldiery to come out of the barracks.
 
I think "stupid" and "brave" are often fairly close bedfellows, and I've always kinda hoped I would be 'brave' enough to do what I thought to be the right thing, even though at the same time knowing it would also be quite a stupid thing to do and that's exactly how my parents would see it, or I'd see it if it were someone I cared about.
The way I feel about it is what would I have to do if I had to do it forever.
I'll be monitoring this post to see who 'likes' it. Couldn't wish for a more effective cunt detector. Must say I'm a bit surprised already.
What? You not been plagued by junkies? I've had my fill of it.
 
Can't believe they're describing that woman as "brave". There's politicians and everything praising her actions. I really hope there's an unspoken understatement to this adjective, and they really mean "stupid". Because that's exactly what it was. If you want to help people, help them run away. She could have gotten herself killed.
Seems like she didn't realise it wasn't just a road traffic accident until she was actually stood next to the guy with the knives. She was brave not to run away in as far as she was trying to help defuse the situation as best she could.

Fascinating story though. She should have held on for a few grand from one of the red tops. Can't see that her story will be worth much now, given that she's blabbed to the telegraph and the guardian. I know some people might think its not all about money, but if ever there was a time you could ethically sell your story to the papers, this was it.
It is not all about money, this maybe says more about your motivations and attitude than anything else.
 
Can't believe they're describing that woman as "brave". There's politicians and everything praising her actions. I really hope there's an unspoken understatement to this adjective, and they really mean "stupid". Because that's exactly what it was. If you want to help people, help them run away. She could have gotten herself killed.

She stayed calm, tried to keep the man talking & as she became aware that there were other people around her, she tried to keep his attention on herself rather than them. Seems like at that point she decided it would be better if he attacked her (one person) rather than the group of people around her. Sounds brave to me.
 
Hopefully not. Live your live in all ways so that it would bear repetition.
Sorry, I'm very tired but I still don't understand. For example, in the situation the woman found herself in, according to your "repetition" dictum would you talk to the guy or stay safe?
 
She stayed calm, tried to keep the man talking & as she became aware that there were other people around her, she tried to keep his attention on herself rather than them. Seems like at that point she decided it would be better if he attacked her (one person) rather than the group of people around her. Sounds brave to me.
Let's hope a few more kids sign up to Brownies/Guides/Scouts off the back of it!

"Brown Owl, when are we going to learn how to diffuse a terrorist threat with only a bag of groceries?"
 
Sorry, I'm very tired but I still don't understand. For example, in the situation the woman found herself in, according to your "repetition" dictum would you talk to the guy or stay safe?
What I'm trying to explain and failing miserably is that you cannot prepare for unexpected situations.

You will surprise yourself. Hand to heart.
 
I'll be monitoring this post to see who 'likes' it. Couldn't wish for a more effective cunt detector. Must say I'm a bit surprised already.

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I thought he was referring to the way in which people stigmatise drug users, my like certainly was not agreeing with the idea that they should be. Have had enough problems in my own family with that to think that.
 
I'll be monitoring this post to see who 'likes' it. Couldn't wish for a more effective cunt detector. Must say I'm a bit surprised already.

TBF, I don't reckon old Pickers meant any harm by it though. A lot of people do have an often, at least partially, justifiable downer on afficionados of the white and the B, but I just couldn't see how Banhof read about this and the lightbulb above his head immediately illuminated whatever damp & mildew smelling room he found himself in with sixty watts of crackhead. Bag snatchings, bike thefts, shoplifting? Yes. Beheadings? Hardly an everyday gig.
 
She stayed calm, tried to keep the man talking & as she became aware that there were other people around her, she tried to keep his attention on herself rather than them. Seems like at that point she decided it would be better if he attacked her (one person) rather than the group of people around her. Sounds brave to me.

And fair play, in many ways. Not an unpleasant word to say about the lady. Just totally at odds with my own policy when faced with a meat cleaver wielding murderer. Pretty sure the official advice in such a situation isn't to do this. Its to save your own skin, and then those of those around you. In that order. Leave the talking down to the police. She really is quite lucky not to be dead.
 
And fair play, in many ways. Not an unpleasant word to say about the lady. Just totally at odds with my own policy when faced with a meat cleaver wielding murderer. Pretty sure the official advice in such a situation isn't to do this. Its to save your own skin, and then those of those around you. In that order. Leave the talking down to the police. She really is quite lucky not to be dead.

You have that policy, really? That's the point. People react in different ways. The fight or flight response doesn't necesarily kick in, if you've not directly been involved. People might natrually panic, run away if you hear an explosion. Sudden jarring noise. Witnessing someone being done in, doesn't necesarily have that effect. I was outside a party once and a bloke across the road was getting his head kicked in. horrible, of course, luckily he was alright. But some peple shouted some sloped away. no one ran off shitting themselves even when the attacker ran over the road towards them asking who else wants some.
 
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