boohoo
No.
London plane trees grow quickly - so it's probably not that old - 100 plus? The old Brixton trees are on Josephine Avenue and Brockwell Park
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London plane trees grow quickly - so it's probably not that old - 100 plus? The old Brixton trees are on Josephine Avenue and Brockwell Park
steeeve
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nothing on Josephine comes close to that size, Brockwell maybe
boohoo
No.
Josephine Avenue has an old oak tree - probably a few hundred years old. It's little but oaks grow slowly.
The oak at Brockwell Park is considered to be around 500 years old and is probably as big as the plane tree.
steeeve
Well-Known Member
The discussion was on size over age! I will seek out the oaks you mention though
boohoo
No.
There is a great story around the Josephine Avenue oak - that Queen Elizabeth 1 went on a boat down the Effra to meet Raleigh who lived down that way and they hung out under the oak tree.
(The Effra wasn't navigational in that manner, there is no evidence that Raleigh lived in Brixton and I think Elizabeth did come to Brixton once but (a) I'm not sure Brixton even existed then except maybe in the name the Brixton hundred and the Brixton Causeway (b) it was to the Stockwell Manor house (when it was on the site of the skateboard park)).
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Maybe the Brixton Hill water main had burst again? That's almost navigable.There is a great story around the Josephine Avenue oak - that Queen Elizabeth 1 went on a boat down the Effra to meet Raleigh who lived down that way and they hung out under the oak tree.
boohoo
No.
oh yes - use of wrong word...
Someone did try to pass an Act so that they could make some part of it navigable however it didn't amount to anything - The path of the river is very easy to see around Central Hill and on Gypsy Road. When you get a big downpour or burst water main (like the one on Brixton road a few years ago), the contours of the landscape can reveal the path of the river - someone I met who lives at the bottom of Central Hill is on the path of the river and when they have heavy rain, the basement gets flooded.
billythefish
toad licker
Wasn't Brixton Water Lane a tributary to the Effra? I read somewhere that it was a stream bed often used as a road (there are still examples of this kind of 'right of way' in the Cotswolds).
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
If it was that would be the bit between the Hoot and Dulwich Road.
According to Effra: Lambeth's Underground River published by The Brixton Society in the 1980s, reprinted in 1993 and still available AFAIK the last two tributaries were one from the ponds in Brockwell Park and a stream down Tulse Hill roughly through Tulse Hill Estate.
This map is in the booklet - a hand drawn map illustrating the text.
I don't know if this helps.
billythefish
toad licker
Crispy
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Also the very noticeable dip into Elm Park from both sides on Craignair, Claverdale and Athlone Roads
boohoo
No.
There is some story that water springs up behind Leander Road house and that there is a willow tree in the back gardens that is in damper soil (could be complete bullshit!)
It was Henry Hastings, 1st Baron Loughborough in 1664 who obtained an act of Parliament to make the river navigable from Brixton causeway to the Thames.
newbie
undisambiguated
Not sure that's right tbh. There are springs all along Rush Common which have occasionally bubbled to the surface down near the Town Hall, and have now been further channeled in the recent flood relief works. Surely there was a stream (possibly seasonal) running down the hill to meet the Effra somewhere in the centre?
This image, of Brixton Causeway c1845 appears to show water.
boohoo
No.
sorry - slightly drunk posting last night.
I meant behind the Leander Road houses. The other year I tried street view to see if I could spot a willow but no luck.
boohoo
No.
Not sure that's right tbh. There are springs all along Rush Common which have occasionally bubbled to the surface down near the Town Hall, and have now been further channeled in the recent flood relief works. Surely there was a stream (possibly seasonal) running down the hill to meet the Effra somewhere in the centre?
This image, of Brixton Causeway c1845 appears to show water.
I think the water in the picture is actually the road surface.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I think the water in the picture is actually the road surface.
I was wondering if it was where the reservoir is. Might make sense that's where the reservoir ended up. Pure speculation - I have no evidence.
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newbie
undisambiguated
I think the water in the picture is actually the road surface.
I wondered that, it might be, it's very hard to tell. But there are definitely springs towards the top of the hill, they're very visible most winters, and the water has to go somewhere. There's also some sort of implication in the name Causeway.
boohoo
No.
Maybe. The paths of rivers is dependent on the geology of the area? A book I've got suggests the Causeway area is made of River Terrace Gravel (made up of stratified gravels and sands) caused by the paths of the Thames and its tributaries.
editor
hiraethified
There's been a bit of discussion here about the state of the Square these days, so I've posted this up:
Is Brixton’s Windrush Square looking a bit tatty these days?
Is Brixton’s Windrush Square looking a bit tatty these days?
editor
hiraethified
Just to update this thread:
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Lambeth Council release statement about the concrete blocks in Windrush Square
Lambeth Council have finally got around to informing residents about what’s been happening in Brixton’s Windrush Square, after workmen were seen installing huge concrete blocks around t…
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In photos: more large concrete blocks are installed around Windrush Square in Brixton
We’re going to have to get used to Windrush Square looking a lot less attractive from now on, as another batch of ugly concrete blocks were installed around its perimeter last night. The heav…
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This was first posted up in 2010
editor
hiraethified
Some Windrush Square/Tate Gardens history
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From the leafy Tate Gardens to the concrete blocks of Windrush Square – a history of the heart of Brixton
With Windrush Square (formerly Tate Gardens) currently flanked by heavy concrete blocks in response to a possible terrorist threat, we thought it would be interesting to take a look at how the site…
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Rushy
basically a scrotum
Application (Rush Common Consent) is in for 156 new bollards surrounding Windrush Square.
I wonder who decided they ought to be specified with 'cannon-style heritage shrouds', when all of the rest of the Windrush Square street furniture is polished stainless steel.Application (Rush Common Consent) is in for 156 new bollards surrounding Windrush Square.
It's as though someone decided that they needed to be a) more expensive and b) uglier than necessary.
Plus there doesn't seem to have been any attempt to coordinate the spacing with the paving pattern.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Application (Rush Common Consent) is in for 156 new bollards surrounding Windrush Square.
No photo mock ups of the proposal to show what it would look like. Very poor application.
Nearest I could find is this picture.
Large Cannon Bollard - Heritage Street Furniture
Looks llke Council are going to use off the peg run of the mill bollards.
No imagination went into this. Its not in keeping with the rest of the square as Jimbeau points out.
If the Council insist this is necessary the should get proper design work done.
The meagre amount of docs associated with the application shows no design input..
They probably asked the police. Which would explain why its such shit design.
From the letter this was put together by an officer.
The Council letter goes on about importance of Windrush square yet this permanent alteration of square has not been thought out. It shows no respect for the existing layor/ design.
IMO it undermines the square.
Its also going to be visually intrusive as the black bollards are very different element added to the square.
Whole point of design was its openness.
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mx wcfc
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Well I agree with most of that.
I'm not sure what they have submitted to themselves should really have been validated, although perhaps different minimum requirements apply to this compared to a normal planning application.
For the benefit of those who can't be bothered to look in the planning database:
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If anyone wants to comment on the paucity of the design or insuficient level of information:
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