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William Hague pushes Litvinenko inquest towards collapse

It's just not showing up on the radar, is it? Yes, you're probably right that they are connected - not necessarily causally but as symptoms of the same lack of global self-confidence. I mean, you don't get Chinese or Finns going round poisoning state enemies, do you? Or possibly the story is a relic of the Cold War, when we in the virtuous west ascribe all manner of evil to The Other. Possibly it wasn't the Russian state which poisoned Litvinenko. And if we entertain this idea, all things become possible.
 
Ahem, on radio 4 2 Feb 2014, it was reported that Marina Litvinenko said that Alexander said that Vladimir Putin was a paedophile. It's all gone quiet and I can see nothing about this on t'internet.

Or was I hearing things?
 
I can see nothing about this on t'internet.
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I googled your own words.
 
Man who owns print-on-demand company which publishes his books on why Litvinenko wasn't murdered, and even if he was, it definitely didn't have anything to do with Putin, oh no, guv, thinks that the inquiry was "biased, flawed and inconsistent":

Six reasons you can't take the Litvinenko report seriously

Are there any of his reasons you don't find based on accuracy ? Or all of them ?

The FSB , MI6 and the likes of Berezovsky were and are all capable of anything . So presumably was litivenko himself , as he worked for all 3 . I honestly think there aren't any definitive conclusions that can be drawn other than one of the 3 probably killed him and all have motives to point fingers at each other . The bloke was a spy and a double agent in the pay of a billionaire criminal . Those are shark infested waters he was swimming in . A British report is about as reliable as an FSB denial . Or a Berezovsky accusation .
 
Just park this here for curiosity value without any clear idea what it means or doesn't mean

Property tycoon Christian Candy’s key adviser was a director of a detective agency which made payments to the Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko and to the former KGB officer accused of murdering him.

Details of the transfers to alleged killer Andrey Lugovoy and to Litvinenko, who died in 2006 after swallowing a radioactive substance called Polonium-210, were given during a high court trial.

Candy and his brother are defending charges that they used blackmail and intimidation to extort repayment of a loan. The case against the billionaire property developers is being brought by their former business associate, Mark Holyoake.

Steven Smith, a founding director of Christian Candy’s property group, was cross-examined on Thursday about his involvement with the London-based investigations agency RISC Management. He was a director from the firm’s incorporation until 2013.

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He recalled RISC’s dealings with Litvinenko. Smith had arrived at RISC’s offices for a directors’ meeting two days after the Russian had ingested poison while drinking tea at a London hotel. The boardroom had been secured by police because traces of the substance had been left during Litvinenko’s visit.

“The whole of the upper floor was cordoned off with radioactive yellow and black paper everywhere,” said Smith. “So obviously I asked the question: ‘Why is our boardroom radioactive?’ And they told me that Mr Litvinenko ... had visited the office on the day he was poisoned.”

Christian Candy adviser linked to Litvinenko and his alleged killer
 
Are there any of his reasons you don't find based on accuracy ? Or all of them ?

The FSB , MI6 and the likes of Berezovsky were and are all capable of anything . So presumably was litivenko himself , as he worked for all 3 . I honestly think there aren't any definitive conclusions that can be drawn other than one of the 3 probably killed him and all have motives to point fingers at each other . The bloke was a spy and a double agent in the pay of a billionaire criminal . Those are shark infested waters he was swimming in . A British report is about as reliable as an FSB denial . Or a Berezovsky accusation .

It may even be that he was contaminated during the course of a polonium smuggling operation linked with the late Berezovsky. It's expensive stuff, polonium.... an odd choice of murder weapon, like using a 10 million dollar space-widget to bludgeon someone to death with. If you want to kill someone slowly with radiation poisoning there are far cheaper and less traceable means to do it.
 
Ceausescu was involved in polonium and thalium assassination escapades back in the 70s - the KGB were more than happy to supply the gear to their securitate mates and instruct on its use. There is provenance to this theme. I got the impression that is was more of a fear weapon than a practical regular usage one, but sure that there were victims anyway. Its a particularly nasty way to get to someone, hence its PR value.

Shame it wasn the Candy brothers who ingested the stuff
 
Not really for a large state that produces it for use in all manner of military-industrial activities.

Maybe you didn’t want to check the box for no publicity?

"Erm... just wanted to have a word really, because in this Requisition Form D you've submitted you put under purpose 'Kill defected spy', have you not considered using a large truck? It's just that there's not much of it about and it's used in all manner of military-industrial activities". Nah I is only kidding, anyone who's ever worked for a government department knows that money is no object.

Seriously though, there are still cheaper ways of killing someone slowly with radiation in such a way that sez "It wuz us, see wot you get when you cross us" that doesn't require a 10 million dollar dose. Anyway I'm not here to call out state backed conspiracy theories, far be it from me to molest the narrative. I just blurted that it struck me as... impractical really, didn't realize the Russian state had such a reputation for profligacy.
 
of course, a nagant to the back of the head in a forest costs a quid but the PR value of having secret deadly rays is hard to estimate. Again, the securitate supposedly employed nuclear gubbins in a victims door knob, ensuring he would get a slice of death rays every time he went back to his apartment. This was the rumour widely believed at the time. I have no idea if it is true or not, but it follows Mao's oft quoted line about a public death and publicity value rather well.
 
Welp, everything is possible and nothing is bullshit. An umbrella only costs a tenner mind, and ricin is less in demand for other military-industrial purposes.
 
"was last seen being dragged away by a couple of burley men"

"the words Volodya sends his regards carved into his back."

"must have remained alive for a considerable length of time" say police.

"Because money doesn't grow on trees... unless you own some sort of vineyard"
 
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the reason for resurrecting this dead thread was that it's now been linked to an apparently unrelated London based property developer, or perhaps gangster. Some stories become more not less intriguing as time passes- eg the murder of Daniel Morgan in a pub carpark in 1987, the effects of which still rumble on to the extent it featured quite heavily during Leveson. Only time will tell if this is in the same league, maybe this thread will still be topical in 20 years or so.
 
the reason for resurrecting this dead thread was that it's now been linked to an apparently unrelated London based property developer, or perhaps gangster. Some stories become more not less intriguing as time passes- eg the murder of Daniel Morgan in a pub carpark in 1987, the effects of which still rumble on to the extent it featured quite heavily during Leveson. Only time will tell if this is in the same league, maybe this thread will still be topical in 20 years or so.

Dead Kennedy's are still a thing. Maybe there'll be a band... "Polonium Death", too bad Metal isn't really a thing anymore, a name like that could only be some sort of Metal (hnarf).
 
It may even be that he was contaminated during the course of a polonium smuggling operation linked with the late Berezovsky. It's expensive stuff, polonium.... an odd choice of murder weapon, like using a 10 million dollar space-widget to bludgeon someone to death with. If you want to kill someone slowly with radiation poisoning there are far cheaper and less traceable means to do it.

Personally I reckon the Russians offed him as a traitor . Because he was . He was working for the twat who came up with that Trump dossier , heavily engaged in all manner of anti russian activity on behalf of the brits and Russian turncoats and renegades . And they wanted everyone to know they did it .hence the polonium . He was even scraping the barrel smearing Putin as a kiddy fiddler in the media , planting ridiculous stories like that in the British gutter press, not a good idea if he took the insults personally . Add to that the all out treachery , whilst the Russian president was a dedicated KGB man who stood till the very end . Big boys games, big boys rules . He chose the game he was in and was happy to operate as a bottom feeder . Wouldn't be surprised if they gave berezovsky the measles as well .
 
Personally I reckon the Russians offed him as a traitor . Because he was . He was working for the twat who came up with that Trump dossier , heavily engaged in all manner of anti russian activity on behalf of the brits and Russian turncoats and renegades . And they wanted everyone to know they did it .hence the polonium . He was even scraping the barrel smearing Putin as a kiddy fiddler in the media , planting ridiculous stories like that in the British gutter press, not a good idea if he took the insults personally . Add to that the all out treachery , whilst the Russian president was a dedicated KGB man who stood till the very end . Big boys games, big boys rules . He chose the game he was in and was happy to operate as a bottom feeder . Wouldn't be surprised if they gave berezovsky the measles as well .

Chairman Mao was a kiddie fiddler. Why not Putin?
 
Big boys games, big boys rules .

This is what passes for geopolitical analysis in your head then is it?

Talking about bottom feeders and betraying the Russian people while simultaneously defending Putin and his kleptocracy would be funny if I didn't think you actually believed it.
 
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