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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%
  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%
  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%

  • Total voters
    175
The actual poll.

the number of undecided's has gone up marginally. That's a boost to my faith in humanity.
Still, a strong boost for hearts (<- small h). Osbourne has other numbers to worry about today
Interesting. It seems that undecided voters are more likely than not to think that Westminster is bluffing: 27% think it is, opposed to 18% who think it is not.

More interestingly: 18% of undecideds are now more likely to vote No, whereas 23% say they are more likely to vote Yes.
 
So that's a majority of undecided's who thought it better to keep their own counsel. I'm even more heartened.


Seriously as you said, its one poll (the only one we have today unfortunately) and you'd need to see more to have a trend. What Osbourne said and Cameron's fuckwittery in East London weren't going to win them any favours, but its all still a way off.
 
John Curtice looks at the poll for BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26273556

George Osborne's announcement last week that the UK would be unwilling to share the pound with an independent Scotland, an announcement that was subsequently endorsed by both the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, and the Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary, Danny Alexander, was meant to be a "game changer".

[...] the figures are hardly in tune with the "no" side's expectation that the currency announcement would prove to be a decisive move in their favour.

To work as the "no" side hoped it would, the currency announcement needed to be believed by voters and succeeded in posing them with an unpalatable choice on an issue that mattered to them. It seems to have failed on both counts.

We will need to await the findings of other polls to see if they confirm the impression that the currency row has not immediately shifted public opinion decisively in the "no" side's favour.
 
Seriously as you said, its one poll (the only one we have today unfortunately) and you'd need to see more to have a trend. What Osbourne said and Cameron's fuckwittery in East London weren't going to win them any favours, but its all still a way off.

Once the fuss has died down, I think people will realise that the rUK is in no way committed to a currency union and that an independent Scotland would be better with its own currency anyway.
 
Stopped reading that as soon as I saw the word separatist! :facepalm:

There was quite an interesting piece in Guardian yesterday on Salmond, Orwell and Newspeak, that got raised in First Minister's Questions. What word would be acceptable?
 
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Why does there need to be a word? It's the SNP that's all. NO need for extra wording. We're not going anywhere, we just want people who live in Scotland to make decisions about Scotland.
SNP doesn't work as a word, there are people outside SNP in Yes who wish to separate from Westminster.
 
If you are looking at it the other way... They had a board meeting this week, seriously if you can't call him to heel....
 
That was a poor article, even by the Economist’s standards.

The first thing that you really wouldn’t think needs to be said is that the bank bailout has already happened. It didn’t happen in an independent Scotland. There wasn’t an independent Scotland at the time, so there was no opportunity for Scotland to assist in the bailout. Furthermore, the responsibility in the UK for regulating and supervising the banks was the UK government’s.

So, that’s Time covered, but we also need to cover Geography. Some people get very confused about registered headquarters of companies, and names that may appear in company titles. Really, these companies are transnational.

To understand that, let’s see what happened with a bank that was bailed out and isn’t registered in Edinburgh. Barclays is registered in London. Wait, you say, but it didn’t receive a bailout! No, it actually received the biggest bailout of a UK headquartered bank. However, it wasn’t bailed out by the UK government, despite its headquarters being in London. Why was that? It’s because the activities that were primarily in trouble were in the US and Qatar. And those governments bailed out Barclays. £6billion came from Qatar, and £552.32 billion from the US Federal Reserve.

Odd, you might think. However, try looking at it this way. First we need to know a little about the Scottish banks. The vast majority of their staff, assets and liabilities are in England.

Imagine Scotland was independent decades ago. We’re in a period that the banks are supposedly doing well. More than 90% of their activity in these islands is in the rUK. Are we going to say that the revenues generated there will go to the Scottish exchequer? Of course not. The revenues will be payable to the rUK exchequer.

Now, let’s imagine we get to 2007/8 and the banks fail. This time, though, Scotland is independent. We’re assuming that the same failure to regulate and supervise has happened, but this time two governments have slipped up. Well, how do they bail the banks out between them? They do it in proportion to the extent of the activity in the respective countries. The cost of Scotland’s bailout would be roughly 10% of the actual bailout paid by the UK. Now that’s a little higher than Scotland’s share of the UK population (in 2012, Scotland accounted for 8.3% of the UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 ), so it’s a slightly larger liability per head, but perfectly manageable.

And this brings us to the second point. The SNP aren’t suggesting that Scotland should default on its share of UK liabilities. Indeed, they repeatedly say they want to shoulder their share of the burden. All they are saying is that it’s a very strange deal that is suggested if Scotland is to get all the liabilities but none of the assets.

Articles like this, and the “mortgage scare” that circulated yesterday, and based on getting tangled up in this notion of population share of assets and liabilities. Salmond is not threatening to “walk away from Britain’s national debt”. He is pointing out that there is another side to the balance sheet. And he's right; there is.
 
PCS union has a national Scottish conference on the referendum today. The Herald's predicting they will come out officially in favour of a Yes vote

I'm uncomfortable about this. I think it should be left to individuals. If an organisation - any organisation - decides one way or the other then there will be peer pressure to comply with the majority and prevent campaigning and honest debate. If the PCS votes for Yes, then PCS members who disagree with independence are going to be in a bind.
 
I'm uncomfortable about this. I think it should be left to individuals. If an organisation - any organisation - decides one way or the other then there will be peer pressure to comply with the majority and prevent campaigning and honest debate. If the PCS votes for Yes, then PCS members who disagree with independence are going to be in a bind.
No they're not.
 
I'm uncomfortable about this. I think it should be left to individuals. If an organisation - any organisation - decides one way or the other then there will be peer pressure to comply with the majority and prevent campaigning and honest debate. If the PCS votes for Yes, then PCS members who disagree with independence are going to be in a bind.

Peer pressure to comply with the majority is fundamentally how trade unions work.
 
Mark Steel:

The next part of Osborne’s plan is probably to announce that if Scotland becomes independent, it won’t be allowed to keep its zoos, so the day after the vote it’ll have to release tigers and bears and crocodiles into the streets of Edinburgh. But it won’t be able to ask for help because it won’t be allowed to use our language, or any of our letters, so they’ll have to communicate by barking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...is-this-how-to-stop-independence-9142266.html
 
Motorists would have to drive on the right if Scotland becomes independent, claims Andy Burnham.

"I don’t want to drive up the M6 and get my passport out or have to drive on the right when I want to drive on the left," said the transparent scaremongering clown Shadow Health Secretary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...se-they-fear-losing-power-in-Westminster.html

You twat.

*checks date to see if it's April 1st already*

Also, the M6 doesn't actually go into Scotland, does it? Although if it did you'd obviously have to give it back, just like you will with all the railway lines - remember when it was called BRITISH rail? If you don't want to be British anymore, you can't keep our railways :mad:

I am now seriously begining to wonder is there is some sort of agreement between the supposedly pro-union Westminster parties to fuck off as many Scots as possible to get shot of you...
 
*checks date to see if it's April 1st already*

Also, the M6 doesn't actually go into Scotland, does it?
It changes its name to the M74 as it reaches the border, but you wouldn't notice.

(I should add, so as not to offend my father in law who is obsessed by these things, that it is actually called the A74(M) at first before becoming the M74).

Maybe Burnham is worried we'll ask for all the road surfaces back, covered as they are with tar McAdam. Which is ours.

Hasn't he got a health service to save? :facepalm:
 
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