Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[tim]

Why do people use the apps when they can access the content on the internet?

Why do they access the content?

 

[Orang Utan]

Why do they access the content?

To provide content for this thread

 

[DaveCinzano]

Have you considered using the search function?

 

[strung out]

Have you considered using the search function?

It's the only way I browse the boards. I go to the front page and tap in a pre-selected range of search terms that match with my primary interests, to see if anyone has posted anything interesting yet. Nothing so far today

 

[editor]

No doubt you are a prick: and abuse from trash like you is water off a duck’s back. Carry on, you sad bellend

Wind it in.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Wind it in.

Certainly: although you will have noticed this Tim character intervened in a discussion to which he contributed nothing, and launched an attack based on his previous issues with me whatever they are (neither know nor care). But you are right, I should have just ignored this nonentity entirely. He perhaps works for the Guardian…
PS I have now placed this creature on ignore

 

[stavros]

 

[Orang Utan]

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no issue here is there?

 

[tim]

Certainly: although you will have noticed this Tim character intervened in a discussion to which he contributed nothing, and launched an attack based on his previous issues with me whatever they are (neither know nor care). But you are right, I should have just ignored this nonentity entirely. He perhaps works for the Guardian…

As I made clear my reaction was to your unprovoked rudeness to Ming on this thread that I was commenting and the fact that I have seen you behave in a similar manner before. I don't understand why you feel entitled to repeatedly behave in such a way and I don't see why you shouldn't be challenged. I find it strange and amusing that someone who treats others with such crass insensitivity, takes such offence when others highlight their boorishness.

As to my lack of previous contributions. I was on the bus this morning and catching up on a thread that is of mild interest but is on a topic that I don't have opinions that I feel called to articulate. The Guardian is not behind a paywall and aside from the BBC the only other free alternative is the Daily Heil, so it's a useful, if inadequate, resource. I can never be bothered to read anything by Toynbee or Monbiot so am not in a position to comment on their latest articles.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[Flavour]

I didn’t know how to tell my mum that Mike Nichols hated my script | Emma Forrest

I had my icons and I worshipped them. And one of them dumping on me from a great height was painful – though perhaps useful, too

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

As I made clear my reaction was to your unprovoked rudeness to Ming on this thread that I was commenting and the fact that I have seen you behave in a similar manner before. I don't understand why you feel entitled to repeatedly behave in such a way and I don't see why you shouldn't be challenged. I find it strange and amusing that someone who treats others with such crass insensitivity, takes such offence when others highlight their boorishness.

As to my lack of previous contributions. I was on the bus this morning and catching up on a thread that is of mild interest but is on a topic that I don't have opinions that I feel called to articulate. The Guardian is not behind a paywall and aside from the BBC the only other free alternative is the Daily Heil, so it's a useful, if inadequate, resource. I can never be bothered to read anything by Toynbee or Monbiot so am not in a position to comment on their latest articles.

He has been a grumpy git for years. Worse in person.

 

[pbsmooth]

We go again: why I can’t shake off my addiction to playing football | Max Rushden

Injuries, ageing and life-changes may take their toll but at the start of my 35th 11-a-side season I’m still raring to go

www.theguardian.com

There's a glaring typo in the first line of this Grauniad article. It's been live for a week.

 

[equationgirl]

Plans approved for Britain’s first women’s-only tower block

Exclusive: 15-storey tower in west London will offer homes to women who face inequality and abuse

www.theguardian.com

No it isn't, Guardian. There's one here in Glasgow that was built in the 1950s, Crathie Court. It's a B listed building. Do better research.

 

[equationgirl]

In fact I think it's one of two, there's another tower block a short distance away from that block that was renovated fully a few years back.

 

[hash tag]

So not good The Guardian Deletes Cartoon Of BBC Chairman After Being Accused Of “Shocking” Anti-Semitism

 

[bimble]

So not good The Guardian Deletes Cartoon Of BBC Chairman After Being Accused Of “Shocking” Anti-Semitism

This is his apology & explanation and it’s really good.

Martin Rowson | British Cartoonist & Author

Website and archive of works by British Cartoonist and Author Martin Rowson. The Guardian. Tribune. Mirror. Red Pepper.

www.martinrowson.com

 

[two sheds]

A tad unreadable for me, copied below:

On Saturday 29th April 2023 The Guardian published a cartoon of mine about Richard Sharp’s resignation as Chairman of the BBC, the top news item the previous day. The main focus of the cartoon was Boris Johnson sitting naked on top of a dungheap holding bags full of dollars, with various wheeliebins around its base, labelled “Patrons”, “Friends”, “Families” and so on. Johnson was saying to Sharp, as the latter was leaving the dilapidated and clearly fire damaged room they were in, “Cheer up, matey! I put you down for a peerage in my Resignation Honours List!”

I think the purpose of the cartoon was fairly obvious - Johnson’s blithe toxicity by association, and how Sharp was the latest bit of blowback from the former Prime Minister’s
casual if all consuming sleaziness and selfishness. None of that, however, seems to have fuelled the furious response to the cartoon. That was all down to how I depicted Richard Sharp.

In the internal narrative of the cartoon, I’d wanted Sharp to play the stooge, the fall guy Johnson had brought low. I also wanted to hint at other parts of the story, and how the networks of croneyism cut every which way among our rulers. It is common knowledge, for instance, that Rishi Sunak used to work for Sharp at Goldman Sachs, the multinational bank infamously described by Matt Taimmi in Rolling Stone in 2008 as “a vampire squid wrapped round the face of humanity”. To signify this not insignificant connection between Sharp and the current Prime Minister, I had him holding a cardboard box, the standard accessory of the just sacked, with the Goldman Sachs logo on it, albeit partially covered by his CV, also held in one of the hands holding the box. The logo’s been crossed out and “BBC” scribbled beneath it, also now crossed out. In the box are Sunak and the aforementioned vampire squid, in a rather cutesy cartoon form, and with the typical yellow polyped skin that stretches between the tentacles of vampire squid.

And this is where things started going wrong. The portrayal of Sharp takes up 3% of the overall image. I was trying to draw him looking silently furious, by implication with Johnson, in the standard caricatural way common to all political cartoons of exaggerating various of his features (most prominently, I thought, his large forehead and rather hooded, baggy eyes). I thought, at the time, it was a fairly mild caricature compared with how I’d draw Johnson. But I’d also never drawn Sharp before, so maybe overworked it to satisfy myself I’d “caught him”; in David Low’s famous phrase, made him look more like him than he does.

Oh, and then I added, just for a laugh as a tiny detail, an empty packet of “Dignity Shreds” at the base of Johnson’s dunghill, with a pig behind an attendant fur cup snarfing a clump of them up.

I like to produce complex cartoons, crammed with incidental detail, partly it allows layers of nuance to be added to the overall umage, partly because it’s the English Cartooning Great Tradition, from Hogarth and Gillray, via Giles and Pont. Also, I know, a lot of the readers enjoy it. But sometimes, like in this case, in the mad rush to cram as much in as possible in the 5 or so hours available to me to produce the artwork by deadline, things go horribly wrong.

Satirists, even though largely licenced to speak the unspeakable in liberal democracies, are no more immune to fucking things up than anyone else, which is what I did here. I know Richard Sharp is Jewish; actually, while we’re collecting networks of croneyism, I was at school with him, though I doubt he remembers me. His Jewishness never crossed my mind as I drew him as it’s wholly irrelevant to the story or his actions, and it played no conscious role in how I twisted his features according to the standard cartooning playbook. Likewise, the cute squid and the little Rishi were no more than that, a cartoon squid and a short Prime Minister, it never occurring to me that some might see them as puppets of Sharp, this being another notorious antisemitic trope. As for the pig and the “Dignity Shreds”, I think I painted them red as like scraps of licorice, again not appreciating they could also be interpreted as blood, repeating yet again antisemitic blood libels that have recurred poisonously for millennia. Finally, fatally, many people assumed the yellow polyps on the squid were gold coins and the truncated Goldman Sachs logo simply read “Gold Sacs”.

For this I apologise, though I’m not going to repeat the current formulation by saying I’m sorry if people were upset, which is always code for “I’ve done nothing wrong, you’re just oversensitive”. This is on me, even if accidentally or, more precisely, thoughtlessly. It’s a personal mantra of mine that satirical cartoons are like journalism, all about Afflicting the Comfortable and Comforting the Afflicted. In other words, I should never attack people less powerful than me (which narrows the field more than you might imagine) and I should only attack people for what they think, not who they are.

So by any definition, most of all my own, the cartoon was a failure and on many levels: I offended the wrong people, Sharp wasn’t the main target of the satire, I rushed at something without allowing enough time to consider things with the depth and care they require, and thereby letting slip in stupid ambiguities that have ended up appearing to be something I never intended. But as I’ve always said, once my work is in the public domain, it no longer belongs to me but to the beholder, in whose eye offence dwells just as surely as beauty.

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. To work effectively, cartoons almost more than any other part of journalism require eternal vigilance, against unconscious bias as well as things that should be obvious and in this case, unforgivably, I didnt even think about. There are sensitivities it is our obligation to respect in order to achieve our satirical purposes. Despite the tyranny of the deadline, in future I’ll make sure I’ve drawn what I really mean, and mean what I draw.

• Enter

https://twitter.com/MartinRowson

 

[Pickman's model]

A tad unreadable for me:

worth persevering with: or you could copy the text and paste it into a word document

 

[Dystopiary]

That was very disappointing. Glad he's properly apologised.

 

[metalguru]

Lust for life: the punks keeping the spirit of rebellion alive

Punk rock exploded in 1977 with a raw power seldom seen since. But Johnny Rotten (as he used to call himself) is 67 now, and most of his fans from that time are in their 60s. So what became of all that energy, spiky hair and safety-pins?

www.theguardian.com

Extract:

Last year, Smith’s Bengal cat, Rococo, died at 16, and Smith decided to throw caution to the wind and have the green-eyed tabby tattooed on her forearm to memorialise her feline fellow traveller. She also dyed her long white hair a fetching shade of cerise. “They say you can’t have long hair when you’re older. They say you shouldn’t dress in bright colours and have tattoos, particularly as a civil servant, but I just thought: ‘I’m 63, I’ll do what I want. I’ll wear my hair pink and long and I’ll wear band T-shirts and skinny jeans and great big platform shoes.’”

 

[_Russ_]

Aaaahhahaha

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Don’t get the antisemitism criticism. It just looks like Sharp?

 

[two sheds]

The 'Gold ... Sac...' and squid like thing he's holding. Other things the cartoonist responded to that he said were unintentional.

 

[Pickman's model]

AaaahhahahaView attachment 372875

One for a _Russ_ wank thread and not a family thread like this one

 

[two sheds]

I see Boris Jewish oligarchs proud nose tank-topped bumboys piccaninnies watermelon smiles lower IQs than whites letterboxes Islam is the problem hot totty blubbing blondes pat her on the bottom taking them from behind babe magnet Johnson has called for resignations because of it.

An expert on antisemitism indeed:

He portrays a Jewish character, Sammy Katz, with a “proud nose and curly hair”, and paints him as a malevolent, stingy, snake-like Jewish businessman who exploits immigrant workers for profit

 

[andysays]

Don’t get the antisemitism criticism. It just looks like Sharp?

It looks to me like he's brought out an old cartoon of Michael Howard

 

[LDC]

Don’t get the antisemitism criticism. It just looks like Sharp?

Have you read the catoonist's apology?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There is a way to oust the Tories, and stop them ever rising again. Why won’t we do it?​

Guillotine, stake through the heart, burn and scatter the ashes?

Now the dust has settled on the local elections, count the rightwing votes and then the progressive ones, and see why PR is more vital than ever

Oh

There is a way to oust the Tories, and stop them ever rising again. Why won’t we do it? | Neal Lawson

Compare the rightwing and progressive local election votes, and see why PR is more vital than ever, says Neal Lawson, director of the cross-party campaign organisation Compass

www.theguardian.com

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

What’s the big idea that could win the Conservatives the next election? Social mobility | Justine Greening

It’s not too late for Rishi Sunak to make good on Boris Johnson’s broken promises, says former Tory MP Justine Greening

www.theguardian.com

LOL fuck off.