Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[stavros]

I know, let's write a column about Farage, Mogg and Johnson, because they've been short of unwarranted attention for the last nanosecond.

 

[hipipol]

 

[brogdale]

August sub-editing at its finest.

 

[Libertad]

Hello brogdale

 

[DaveCinzano]

Impressive: this piece manages to provide two different spellings for a single thing within the same sentence - TWICE.

“Neither individual is licensed by the BBBBofC and the BBBofC does not participate in such events.”

Adding to the soap opera, their brothers, Jake and Deji, also fought on the undercard, with Jae emerging victorious.

Stalemate for Logan Paul and KSI in hyped YouTube boxing match

 

[Brainaddict]

August sub-editing at its finest.

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What I want to know is where this children's play area got hold of a time machine.

 

[agricola]

August sub-editing at its finest.

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Fifty years ago they'd swing for that.

 

[Idris2002]

A bit of a roundabout way of doing it, I have to say.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

circulating on tweeter at the moment - apparently from yesterday's observer

 

[kabbes]

What’s the problem there? The fact that the six week break acts as an accelerator in the gap in the attainment of grades at school between rich and poor is well established and the subject of at least one study I’ve seen. The rich parents get their kids tuition in the holiday whilst the poor kids forget a proportion of what they’ve learnt, which sets them back at the beginning of the next school year.

 

[Libertad]

What’s the problem there? The fact that the six week break acts as an accelerator in the gap in the attainment of grades at school between rich and poor is well established and the subject of at least one study I’ve seen. The rich parents get their kids tuition in the holiday whilst the poor kids forget a proportion of what they’ve learnt, which sets them back at the beginning of the next school year.

Read it again.

 

[emanymton]

Read it again.

School was harsh back in the day.

 

[kabbes]

Oh — lol. My bad.

 

[brogdale]

Useful guidance.

 

[kabbes]

He earns it, you note

 

[brogdale]

He earns it, you note

Wealth creator.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What’s the problem there? The fact that the six week break acts as an accelerator in the gap in the attainment of grades at school between rich and poor is well established and the subject of at least one study I’ve seen.

You know your way around statistics Kabbes, so you should know that without a control group with no summer holidays you have no basis for this claim. And if you've come up with an objective way to measure 'attainment' I'd love to hear about it.

E2a: oh, you're referring to exam results. Same problem though, you're relying on the assumption that exam results are a meaningful indicator of anything.

 

[Libertad]

He's an inspiration to us aspirational types. Not kabbes, Dolan.

 

[kabbes]

You know your way around statistics Kabbes, so you should know that without a control group with no summer holidays you have no basis for this claim. And if you've come up with an objective way to measure 'attainment' I'd love to hear about it.

I do know my way round statistics, yes. You don’t need a strict control group of the type you envisage to investigate effects. And of all places, school is one where attainment is most readily measured.

For example:

Investigation of Summer Learning Loss in the UK—Implications for Holiday Club Provision

Participants were tested on three occassions: immediately before and immediately after a 7-week summer break, and again after 7-weeks of teaching. The results showed a significant main effect of time for spelling scores, F(2,136) = 21.60, p < 0.001, . Post-hoc analysis [t(73) = 4.84, p ≤ 0.001] showed that spelling scores were significantly higher at the end of the summer term (M = 26.57) than at the start of the new academic year (M = 25.38). Likewise, spelling scores after 7 weeks post return to school (M = 27.61) were significantly higher than at the start of the Autumn term, t(73) = 7.79, p ≤ 0.001. Performance in spelling declined when children returned to school immediately after the summer holiday (M = 25.38) but 7 weeks later, performance had improved beyond the baseline reported immediately before the summer break (M = 26.57) [t(73) = 4.40, p ≤ 0.001].

That helpfully references earlier studies too, e.g.

A conservative estimate of the effect of the USA 12-week long summer vacation on students’ standardized test scores, is that students’ learning at best stagnates, or, worst case scenario, losses of up to 1 month of grade-level equivalent learning occurs (7). Furthermore, the long summer vacation creates a gap of approximately 3 months in achievement between children from high and low socioeconomic status (SES) households (7). This gap has been referred to variously as “summer slide,” “back slide,” or “summer learning loss” (6, 8, 9) and has been studied extensively in the USA and to a lesser extent in Europe (9, 10).

 

[brogdale]

He's an inspiration to us aspirational types. Not kabbes, Dolan.

lol @ edit

 

[kabbes]

I’m an inspiration to anyone who aspires to idle their way through life.

 

[brogdale]

I’m an inspiration to anyone who aspires to idle their way through life.

You won't make a Guardian puff-piece with an unhelpful attitude like that.

 

[kabbes]

You won't make a Guardian puff-piece with an unhelpful attitude like that.

Oh, I don’t know. Have you read their columnists?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I won’t cheer if Wonga fails. I was grateful it was there for me | James Ball

 

[kabbes]

I won’t cheer if Wonga fails. I was grateful it was there for me | James Ball

A sub’s unhelpful headline but the piece as a whole seems not unreasonable. The final paragraph sums it up:

Let’s spend less time worrying about Wonga, and more worrying about why people need to use it.

 

[planetgeli]

D’ye ken John Peel? – archive, 7 August 1968

“The John Peel cult is easy to understand. He came up the hard way - public school and radio Caroline”


Oh really? Care to name when that Caroline stint was then? Or are you confusing Caroline with Radio London because all pirate radio is one homogenous lump to you know-nothings?

 

[Idris2002]

They confused their pirate stations? This will live in infamy.

 

[planetgeli]

They confused their pirate stations? This will live in infamy.

No, they didn’t confuse them. They didn’t have a clue what they were talking about for a good ten years, possibly longer, never fact checked, but that never stopped them repeating bullshit as fact. Probably because people like you don’t give a shit about a subject you know nothing about.

I imagine cupid_stunt might feel differently to you.

 

[Santino]

That's a shame. Capital Radio just wouldn't have been the same without John Peel.

 

[TopCat]

I thought this had to be a piss take but I don't think it is... (And surely Madonna was the original underwear as outerwearer, decades before Rihanna and Beyonce?)

Amphibious dressing: how swimwear became daywear

Poss Ari Up of the Slits did the under outerwear thing?