Only if I get words put in my mouth that I haven't said.
Why is 'browning up' acceptable in Hollywood?
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Treacle Toes
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Nah, the points been made. Not important though apparently. Wider context and that influence not important.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So you support blacking up now?
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
This. And when POC have said it is racist there are still non-poc posters insisting they don't see a problem with it.
Only if done by professional artists on good actors.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bollocks - buddy brought in just that point in to explain - explain, not justify - casting decisions like this and you jumped right on them.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you saying that you support it or not?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
thats one of many wrongnesses in that film
Of course I don't support it.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
I'm sure citizen can speak for themselves but it's clear to me when read in context of their other posts the one you quoted was sarcastic.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He has answered now - and support was the wrong word to use there as well - but given OU swing from being against it full stop to thinking it's justified in some cases and C66's sarcastic response to it, i thought i better check.
Athos
Well-Known Member
As I'm sure you realise, it's a little more nuanced than that. But I don't think that black characters can only be played by black actors.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Fair. I didn't spot OU saying it was ok in some cases... I always thought OU was fairly spot on
*goes back to read posts*
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
That could be reasonable, I think, but is quite dependent on the specifics of what you mean by 'black character'.
Also, if 'black characters' (assuming we all mean the same thing for a second) can only be played by black actors, would that mean that 'white characters' can only be played by white actors etc.?
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
What justification is there for having a white person black up to play a black character?
8ball
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And what if the white person plays the black character without blacking up.
Treacle Toes
Time
Who you swearing at? FUCK OFF yourself with this bullshit aggressiveness!
You know I ignore you, you also know why, yet you continue to pop up with this nasty, unnecessary, bullying act and think that's alright. It isn't. The comment you have quoted wasn't specifically aimed at BB anyway, more to Athos' contributions.I asked a question. I didn't jump on them. I have also responded to BB accusing me of condescension. You and your bully boy routine isn't needed. I've been active in the thread since the first few posts and therefore part of the discussion it will also be a cold day in hell before I let YOU dictate to me when I can post, how I might want to do that and misrepresent my contributions. It hasn't worked in years and it never will.
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Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
What if? I don't understand the point your trying to make.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
You jumped in with a snide comment implying that centuries of oppression had somehow passed me by. It's clear to everyone that we don't need to spell out that the way non-white actors are treated is a microcosm of how non-white anybodys are treated.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Sure. In the logical world in which racism doesn't exist, you'd perhaps be right. Black actors would get a wide variety of roles with ease, including those playing white characters when they're better than the white actors auditioning.
Do we live in that world?
Treacle Toes
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No, that was your interpretation/assumption. There was nothing snide about what I asked you. I have since gone further and explained to you why I asked you that question. You don't get to decide how I meant what I posted, I am honest enough to tell you.
Quite clear to everyone? How can you speak for everyone?
8ball
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There are a bunch of things going on here that need teasing apart. There looks to be a good bit of racial essentialism from one side and a dose of Devil's Advocate from the other, and unless we start picking the knot apart we can talk past each other all day.
If you don't want to do that, the short answer to 'Why is 'browning up acceptable in Hollywood?' is 'money'. Money trumps all other considerations until either so many people are speaking up to convince the money men the money is at risk or the box office takings make it obvious.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Because almost 14 years on this board have led me to believe that the people here are not complete idiots.
Fez909
toilet expert
If the role can be played by a white actor without "blacking up" then it's not a black character. It's just a character. If the skin colour is important, then a black actor should play the role. If it isn't, then the best actor available should play it.
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
I think that's mostly true, but not entirely - otherwise there would be a lot more white actors playing brown parts in present-day settings. Hollywood seems to have decided that it's okay for Christian Bale to be a 5th century BC Egyptian (or whatever that last film was about), but balks at casting (for example) a white guy as the comedy Indian on Big Bang Theory. Apu not withstanding.
I'd imagine there is probably an element of actor willingness playing a part too.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Everyone in the bible was white, you only have to look at the pictures
Dinosaur aside, this is what they're doing isn't it. Looking at some pictures from the film I don't think they 'browning up' in the sense of making up the actors to change their skin colour, they're 'whitening up' the characters. Which is slightly different but equally racist tbh - they're important religious figures so they must be white, what else would they be?
Treacle Toes
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Apparently the sphinxes also got a 'European' makeover for the set of Exodus. I suppose we should applaud that attention to detail. Consistency being important in movies and all.
The picture of the Sphinx surprised me more than the actors; since despite a bit of erosion we know what it looks like.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I'm not familiar with the story but did they originally want Raj played by a white actor or something?
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