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Why are pedestrian deaths not as well reported as cyclists?

I think we need to focus on pedestrian deaths. Huge issue largely ignored. The interesting thing is pedestrians prefer to complain about cyclists rather than the vehicles that kill.

Again, what people complain about most is not necessarily an indicator of the importance of the issues in question. It's also impossible to quantify, and it's too easy to conflate what the local papers or the TV news whine about with what actual people are interested in.
 
If i ride a bike, i'm just a guy riding a bike. I would NEVER refer to myself as a cyclist.

Here for example is a perfect example of someone getting all upset about a trivial point of nomenclature when the issue at hand is lots of people dying sudden and violent deaths. You can't trust public opinion. The public is an idiot.
 
Here for example is a perfect example of someone getting all upset about a trivial point of nomenclature when the issue at hand is lots of people dying sudden and violent deaths. You can't trust public opinion. The public is an idiot.

can't belive i clicked my alert button to come across this horse shit.. Bore off sunshine
 
I'm going to say something that's been on my mind for a while, and which I suspect might get my head bitten off in here.

As well as any additional campaigns or measures to educate cyclists and motor vehicle users, shouldn't we also consider that pesdestrians can be, and in fact often are, at fault too? And that some emphasis should also be placed on improving the behaviour of pedestrians? Which AFAIK is never talked about at an official level or part of any campaign. Certainly not further than basic education for kids to look both ways and respect the green man.

Take incidents where a bus is involved. Whereas sometimes a bus driver will of course be at fault, the majority of incidents involving a ped and a bus I can envisage, in London at least, are likely to be the pedestrian's fault. Buses rarely speed. Rarely jump red lights. Even more rarely see a drunk driver at the wheel. The fact is a high percentage (if not most) of such accidents are caused by pedestrians' carelessness or lack of attention. I see such reckless behaviour every day, in particular at rush hour on busy arteries like Brixton Road where peds constantly run in front of moving traffic on dual carriageway roads, and without checking for other traffic on the adjacent lane, or indeed the lane they've just stepped on.

Point being, you will never achieve a serious reduction in pedestrian casualties unless you also incorporate measures to improve their awareness and behaviour. But that's never going to happen as long as they are considered de facto exempt from being at fault. Which frankly, they seem to be.
 
I'm going to say something that's been on my mind for a while, and which I suspect might get my head bitten off in here.

As well as any additional campaigns or measures to educate cyclists and motor vehicle users, shouldn't we also consider that pesdestrians can be, and in fact often are, at fault too? And that some emphasis should also be placed on improving the behaviour of pedestrians? Which AFAIK is never talked about at an official level or part of any campaign. Certainly not further than basic education for kids to look both ways and respect the green man.

Take incidents where a bus is involved. Whereas sometimes a bus driver will of course be at fault, the majority of incidents involving a ped and a bus I can envisage, in London at least, are likely to be the pedestrian's fault. Buses rarely speed. Rarely jump red lights. Even more rarely see a drunk driver at the wheel. The fact is a high percentage (if not most) of such accidents are caused by pedestrians' carelessness or lack of attention. I see such reckless behaviour every day, in particular at rush hour on busy arteries like Brixton Road where peds constantly run in front of moving traffic on dual carriageway roads, and without checking for other traffic on the adjacent lane, or indeed the lane they've just stepped on.

Point being, you will never achieve a serious reduction in pedestrian casualties unless you also incorporate measures to improve their awareness and behaviour. But that's never going to happen as long as they are considered de facto exempt from being at fault. Which frankly, they seem to be.

I'm not going to bite your head off but I hope that you read the stuff that west Midlands police will say about why they are targeting drivers in their currently piloting operation safer crossing, which will seek to tackle pedestrian deaths and serious injuries (KSIs).

WMP traffic police are hugely data driven. Everything you've said in the post above, if you replace pedestrian with cyclist, I've heard over and over again with relation to their current cycle safety operation, which targets drivers. Why drivers? Because the data shows that drivers are overwhelmingly responsible for collisions involving cyclists that result in KSIs, the bad behaviour from cyclists doesn't cause problems like bad behaviour from drivers.
I'm sure they will say the same in relation to pedestrians.

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So drivers need to expect a zero tolerance approach for any offence involving a vulnerable road user, or an offence that could contribute to a collision involving a vulnerable road user. The only way to change driver behaviour and concentrate minds on looking out for vulnerable road users and change driving habits is through enforcement, and the resulting fear of being prosecuted. Now for those who will no doubt be spitting out their finest percolated roasted bean brew at this moment screaming “what about the cyclists !” well…….statistical analysis shows they aren’t to blame, innocent in the majority of KSI collisions it would be a waste of our time, and thus public time and money to concentrate on cyclist behaviour. The figures speak for themselves…….driver’s don’t let your prejudices get in the way of the truth…….

I will try to remember to post up when they put up a blog about their pedestrian safety op, worth reading the other posts about the cycling op too. I'm pretty sure that if pedestrians were at fault the majority of the time, wmp would be targeting pedestrians, that they aren't says to me that drivers are the bigger danger.
 
In 2014 the DfT counted 1775 road deaths.
797 car occupants.
446 pedestrians
339 motor cyclists
113 cyclists
80 "other"
As a portion of journey miles
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/467465/rrcgb-2014.pdf
That is to say you are about as likely to be killed walking a mile as cycling that mile.
But you are about 3 times as likely to report an injury cycling a mile than walking it.

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498 pedestrians were reported to be hit by pedal cyclists vs
5289 by motorcyclists
20094 by motor cars
1064 by buses
1487 by LGVs
435 by HGVs
A total of 24748.
2% of pedestrian collisions were from cyclists.

Clearly the biggest issue facing pedestrians then as per this thread.
Just to throw this into the mix: if we're going to do comparisons between modes of transport, surely casualties per mile is the not the best measure? Casualties per passenger hour, perhaps?
 
Just to throw this into the mix: if we're going to do comparisons between modes of transport, surely casualties per mile is the not the best measure? Casualties per passenger hour, perhaps?
Good luck on passenger hours for a pedestrian.
 
Right, but you could have a guess. Average walking speed 2 or 3mph, average cycling speed 10-15mph. So if you re-examine your stats then I think cyclists come off fairly terribly.
Why are pedestrian deaths not as well reported as cyclists?

Well for a start the premise of the thread was pedestrians were under represented in consideration for action to reduce road fatalities. So saying pedestrians are less likely to die per hour of transport than cyclists runs contrary to the threads premise.
But road fatalities are relatively rare and studies have shown cyclists tend to live longer than non cyclists. The risk of death by twat driver is exceeded by the reduction in death by heart disease and other health issues from sedentary life styles.
 
Right, but you could have a guess. Average walking speed 2 or 3mph, average cycling speed 10-15mph. So if you re-examine your stats then I think cyclists come off fairly terribly.

I don't know the figures, but I certainly know of a few wrinkly deaths, which may have been, in part, caused by someone walking slowly across the road. Certainly one or two were wrinklies
walking across the front of lorries and the driver simply did not see them when the pulled away :(
 
Just to throw this into the mix: if we're going to do comparisons between modes of transport, surely casualties per mile is the not the best measure? Casualties per passenger hour, perhaps?

There's already KSI (deaths and serious injury) stats per mile travelled and pretty sure they are in the link provided (in terms of deaths, it's pretty even between pedestrians and cyclists, but cyclists are way more likely to have serious or slight injury).

If you're talking about the second group of stats then it's going to be much harder to work out, but we could look at the modal share of different types of transport to see what is over/underrepresented?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/489894/tsgb-2015.pdf
from 2015
Cycling modal share is 2%, in line with the 2% of collisions in the previous post, but also worth noting that that is collisions and not KSIs. I bet that if you look at the outcomes of those collisions you would have a much higher % KSIs amongst the 20,000 collisions involving a car than amongst the 500 collisions involving a cycle.
 
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