Who will be the next prime minister (October 2022 edition)

[littlebabyjesus]

It'll be upsetting if it's Mordaunt. Her inexplicably well received UQ performance was excretable. Really depressing stuff that consisted of 'Labour - be afraid of them, SNP - be afraid of them', twelve year old references about 'socialists' leaving notes in the treasury, and all just the warm up act before Jeremy Hunt arrived to announce another round of slash and burn.

We've had twelve years of this shite, and it may as well still be 2010. It's an absolutely unreal state of affairs. Her entire shtick the other day could've been said almost word for word, all those years ago. It's a worse prospect than it was the first time round, because this time we have full knowledge of how ugly, how joyless, how relentless it is. But here we are again.

She's vile. She will lead a vile government that will attack the poor. But I don't agree about her performance on Monday. Of course it's depressing - she's a fucking tory - but as a political performance, it was skilled.

 

[rubbershoes]

Can Truss stand again? She's learnt the lessons and will be fantastic if given a second chance

 

[Tanya1982]

She's vile. She will lead a vile government that will attack the poor. But I don't agree about her performance on Monday. Of course it's depressing - she's a fucking tory - but as a political performance, it was skilled.

I can see why someone would feel that, but I didn't enjoy it or see much skill. As I said, it really made me feel like the clock had been turned back, and the same mountain was going to have to be climbed yet again - only this time with even less equipment. It was utterly bleak. If she can induce that in me (and just for instance, I own outright, so all the mortgage stuff going on doesn't affect me, and likewise I'm not personally in line to be hit with any other debt/interest rate based difficulty - if anything I profit from them going up) then God knows what despair she induced in millions of others.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I didn't say I enjoyed it. The prospect of her or any of the others as PM is bleak.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Mordant isn’t that sharp tbh, her scripted shite isn’t an indicator- and I’ve seen nothing to suggest she is anything but a semi savvy stooge

 

[Tanya1982]

I didn't say I enjoyed it. The prospect of her or any of the others as PM is bleak.

I meant 'enjoy' as in 'ok, at least she's skilled'. There's comfort (of a sort) in competence. I didn't get that. Just the very strong sense that we were right back to square one, twelve years of increasing horror for nothing, and that all we can expect from her is a long since litigated rehash of the same tired old rhetoric. A Tory, in 2022, telling people to be afraid of everyone else is a bit like a serial killer who has you tied up in his basement telling you to be afraid of the prospect the police might arrive because some of them are corrupt.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I meant 'enjoy' as in 'ok, at least she's skilled'. There's comfort (of a sort) in competence. I didn't get that. Just the very strong sense that we were right back to square one, twelve years of increasing horror for nothing, and that all we can expect from her is a long since litigated rehash of the same tired old rhetoric. A Tory, in 2022, telling people to be afraid of everyone else is a bit like a serial killer who has you tied up in his basement telling you to be afraid of the prospect the police might arrive because some of them are corrupt.

Nope no comfort at all for me. More a case of 'oh fuck, this is a tory who isn't totally useless'. Thatcher was also a skilled politician - that didn't comfort me. Quite the reverse.

 

[Tanya1982]

Of course there's no comfort - I'm saying she is not skilled, so there isn't even that. Mordaunt is useless. It's just that we are currently confronted with Truss on her deathbed that almost anyone looks less useless alongside that. Her competence topped out reading medieval scripted language at the proclamation of Charles. She was as empty as Truss in the leadership contest - and not even skilled enough to see that rival off. If Mordaunt had political skill, we wouldn't be suffering through Truss.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

We may have to agree to disagree on that. As a parliamentary performer I think she is skilled. Given that she's a tory, that's not something I consider a positive, particularly as the current Labour frontbench is packed with very limited performers.

 

[Tanya1982]

We may have to agree to disagree on that. As a parliamentary performer I think she is skilled. Given that she's a tory, that's not something I consider a positive, particularly as the current Labour frontbench is packed with very limited performers.

I honestly think Angela Rayner and Rachel Reeves are pretty decent performers.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course there's no comfort - I'm saying she is not skilled, so there isn't even that. Mordaunt is useless. It's just that we are currently confronted with Truss on her deathbed that almost anyone looks less useless alongside that. Her competence topped out reading medieval scripted language at the proclamation of Charles. She was as empty as Truss in the leadership contest - and not even skilled enough to see that rival off. If Mordaunt had political skill, we wouldn't be suffering through Truss.

Yeh cos the more qualified and capable candidates with greater political nous always win

 

[Tanya1982]

Yeh cos the more qualified and capable candidates with greater political nous always win

I don't believe I, or anyone else here, said that.

 

[Pickman's model]

I honestly think Angela Rayner and Rachel Reeves are pretty decent performers.

And so they are, in the pitiful pond of pisspoor parliamentarians we put up with

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't believe I, or anyone else here, said that.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. So it wasn't you saying if m had political skill we wouldn't have had truss which in my book comes bloody close to that

 

[Tanya1982]

I thought my sarcasm was obvious. So it wasn't you saying if m had political skill we wouldn't have had truss which in my book comes bloody close to that

Ok, great.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Can't imagine Johnson will get 100mps backing him. The pertinent question weather whoever ends up candidate of the tory far right headbangers can. Im guessing not, but who knows?

 

[Tanya1982]

Can't imagine Johnson will get 100mps backing him. The pertinent question weather whoever ends up candidate of the tory far right headbangers can. Im guessing not, but who knows?

It's annoying me that the reason for his final disgrace seems forgotten in the commentary this afternoon. It certainly wasn't just about parties. It was a fully fledged sexual predator he turned a blind eye to that did for him. Now we have this endless bleating along the lines of 'time to forgive and forget - it was just a slice of cake and a few drinks' - when it fucking well wasn't.

 

[Cid]

Can't imagine Johnson will get 100mps backing him. The pertinent question weather whoever ends up candidate of the tory far right headbangers can. Im guessing not, but who knows?

When this poll opened the 100 noms hadn't been decided, to be fair to the early voters. Has to be a Sunak/Mordaunt runoff of some kind right? I've voted Sunak here, and will do on my membership ballot .

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm not fucking made of money. I've only got a tenner spare (the one I'm winning off bimble in twelve days).

I am also not made of money, but also confident that I wouldn't need to find it to pay the bet, you clearly are not, so it was probably not a good idea to ask me to put my cash where my keyboard is.

I am not going to lower the bet to £10, I don't want you to throw that away, I would rather you spend that on some treats for your lovely kids TBH.

At the end of day, whilst the membership are total loons, most of the MPs are not, and they know they need a leader that at least stands a chance of uniting the party, clearly that's not BJ, who only resigned after the chief whip told him they could only find 36 MPs to support him.

Plus, the only reason he was ever elected as leader was because he was seen as an election winner, he's burst that bubble, all that's left of him is a load of hot air. and he's still being investigated by the privileges committee, and they are not going to let him anywhere near No. 10, only for it to blow up in their faces if the privileges committee finds him guilty.

 

[weepiper]

I can't get excited about it. It'll just be another in a never-ending parade of fucking Tories.

 

[bcuster]

whatever happened to the RN commander?

 

[maomao]

I am also not made of money, but also confident that I wouldn't need to find it to pay the bet, you clearly are not, so it was probably not a good idea to ask me to put my cash where my keyboard is.

I am not going to lower the bet to £10, I don't want you to throw that away, I would rather you spend that on some treats for your lovely kids TBH.

At the end of day, whilst the membership are total loons, most of the MPs are not, and they know they need a leader that at least stands a chance of uniting the party, clearly that's not BJ, who only resigned after the chief whip told him they could only find 36 MPs to support him.

Plus, the only reason he was ever elected as leader was because he was seen as an election winner, he's burst that bubble, all that's left of him is a load of hot air. and he's still being investigated by the privileges committee, and they are not going to let him anywhere near No. 10, only for it to blow up in their faces if the privileges committee finds him guilty.

I'm not as confident now they set the bar at 100 nominations anyway lol.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm not as confident now they set the bar at 100 nominations anyway lol.

If he can't get 100 nominations, he wouldn't end-up in the top two anyway, so I don't see that changes anything.

It was never going to by BJ.

 

[maomao]

If he can't get 100 nominations, he wouldn't end-up in the top two anyway,

He would if he had the second highest number of votes. I still haven't written him off. The most convincing factor for me is that the consensus on urban (that has been consistently wrong about world events for the last twenty years) is that it's impossible.

 

[danny la rouge]

He would if he had the second highest number of votes. I still haven't written him off. The most convincing factor for me is that the consensus on urban (that has been consistently wrong about world events for the last twenty years) are saying it's impossible.

You make a good point.

 

[moochedit]

whatever happened to the RN commander?

I think that is mordaunt?

 

[cupid_stunt]

He would if he had the second highest number of votes. I still haven't written him off. The most convincing factor for me is that the consensus on urban (that has been consistently wrong about world events for the last twenty years) is that it's impossible.

He would never get in that position.

 

[Sue]

Some Tory MP saying we need a mature approach to politics now which is why he'd like to see Boris Johnson back. (He's made some mistakes but haven't we all so hey.)

 

[bcuster]

I think that is mordaunt?

yes, that's right. i see she is leading in the Urban polling...

 

[danny la rouge]

Some Tory MP saying we need a mature approach to politics now which is why he'd like to see Boris Johnson back. (He's made some mistakes but haven't we all so hey.)

This is why I’m not making specific predictions now. The people who get a vote are in a different reality.