White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[J Ed]

this woman is either just better at it and got herself into a (well paid, influential, respected) niche she'd have a problem getting out of, or she's unwell..

I think she is unwell

 

[trashpony]

Who knows Who could imagine that saying gender is constructed would be controversial in a feminist discussion group.

Perhaps you should send them all a copy of Delusions of Gender for Christmas

 

[butchersapron]

really?

have you not met the 'prolier than thou' uber-middle class kids (and not kids..) in the various lefty student microgroups who claim to be from the working classes? the fake accents, the fake names, the made-up back story to hide the priveliged, well-off background? most of them get bored and go and work for PWC or become family solicitors, but i suppose some must remain... most are about as convincing as a giraffe in dark glasses trying to get into a Polar Bears only nightclub, but some are better at it.

this woman is either just better at it and got herself into a (well paid, influential, respected) niche she'd have a problem getting out of, or she's unwell..

as to why her parents have dobbed her in, its pretty obvious: there's expensive, probably embarrassing, possibly family-shattering legal action on the horizon over alleged abuse. having the person making those accusations exposed as a big pants-on-fire liar, or - frankly - a loonspud, just as that legal action starts is a good way to ensure that they lose.

Wow,i thought manter was nasty.

 

[Manter]

Fact me up on this claim of yours:



I'm making good ground, ta for the tips.

Sorry, you've lost me. She is living with two black boys that she claims are her sons. Her parents say one is her brother. Or have I got that wrong too?

Telling people they are stupid* just isn't a great way of persuading them. *and yes, yes, you didn't use the a word before we go into that particular death spiral, but you clearly think I am. So ignore me and let me talk to rutita who is making some interesting points, maybe- then we can both have a nice discussion.

 

[J Ed]

I feel sorry for her, I think. She really does seem to have a mental illness, just something about her... the elaborate way that she has gone about everything and convinced so many tells me that she is an intelligent individual who is suffering from a severe mental illness.

 

[Manter]

Wow,i thought manter was nasty.

The fuck? What makes you say I am nasty? I say the story is odd and doesn't add up, you lay into me and I'm the nasty one?

 

[butchersapron]

I think she is unwell

She's a fraud. Look at what she pantomimes as black.

 

[Thora]

Perhaps you should send them all a copy of Delusions of Gender for Christmas

I'd be burned at the stake

 

[winifred]

I think she is unwell

I disagree, it just shows that she's having a sociological discussion on the prominence of 'white' hegemony within American society.

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, you've lost me. She is living with two black boys that she claims are her sons. Her parents say one is her brother. Or have I got that wrong too?

Telling people they are stupid* just isn't a great way of persuading them. *and yes, yes, you didn't use the a word before we go into that particular death spiral, but you clearly think I am. So ignore me and let me talk to rutita who is making some interesting points, maybe- then we can both have a nice discussion.

You made a rather definitive claim and used it to suggest the whole thing is fake. I've asked you to back up that definitive claim. Of course, you can't. And rather than reflect on what this means for your conspiracy...well

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, you've lost me. She is living with two black boys that she claims are her sons. Her parents say one is her brother. Or have I got that wrong too?

Telling people they are stupid* just isn't a great way of persuading them. *and yes, yes, you didn't use the a word before we go into that particular death spiral, but you clearly think I am. So ignore me and let me talk to rutita who is making some interesting points, maybe- then we can both have a nice discussion.

Good this, you can base a post on me calling you stupid but put a asterix that says i didn't call you stupid.

 

[J Ed]

She's a fraud. Look at what she pantomimes as black.

You are probably right, but it's just such an elaborate fraud and it's difficult for me to imagine that it isn't at least in part a manifestation of mental illness. It's just so, so weird.

 

[Citizen66]

How is gender a thing but race isn't?

I said gender/sex and also that I can't be naffed with that debate again. The one that you ran away from.

 

[butchersapron]

You are probably right, but it's just such an elaborate fraud and it's difficult for me to imagine that it isn't at least in part a manifestation of mental illness. It's just so, so weird.

I think the bourgeois mind can fraud many identities. It's a market after all.

 

[Thora]

I said gender/sex and also that I can't be naffed with that debate again. The one that you ran away from.

I went on holiday - sadly I can't devote my entire life to arguing on the internet.

Do you think gender and sex are the same thing?

 

[killer b]

I said gender/sex and also that I can't be naffed with that debate again. The one that you ran away from.

not sure you can blame anyone for ducking out of that one tbf.

 

[mwgdrwg]

What we have here is a Drexl.

 

[Citizen66]

I went on holiday - sadly I can't devote my entire life to arguing on the internet.

Do you think gender and sex are the same thing?

Of course not. One is biological and one is social. Do you think you can have this discussion on the right thread?

 

[Citizen66]

not sure you can blame anyone for ducking out of that one tbf.

But it's recreating itself here so I think it's a bit off for me to say more than I already have all over again to the people who closed their mouths.

 

[Thora]

Of course not. One is biological and one is social. Do you think you can have this discussion on the right thread?

So what's the difference between race being socially constructed (not a thing) and gender being socially constructed (a thing)?

 

[Citizen66]

So what's the difference between race being socially constructed (not a thing) and gender being socially constructed (a thing)?

Nothing. No difference. But I said sex/gender, not gender.

 

[Citizen66]

I'm going to get grief from the opposing position now.

 

[Thora]

Nothing. No difference. But I said sex/gender, not gender.

But sex and gender are two different things

 

[winifred]

How are say Indian people judged when they're obviously from a non-white heritage, but have a better command of the English language and customs than some indigenous Brits? Are they trying to be 'white'? What about white people who wear 'ethnic' clothing or adopt other religions i.e. Muslim or Buddhist etc. Are they frauds? I don't think so.

That's why I don't necessarily cry foul at the reports of this woman (allegedly) pretending to be black. Maybe she's subverting the whole race angle, by showing that we're all the same underneath - in spite of what our outward appearance might suggest or represent.

 

[Citizen66]

But sex and gender are two different things

You went on holiday. You missed the boat. Sorry. Don't start a row with me when I got all the shit for defending your position when you were having some sunshine.

 

[Belushi]

How are say Indian people judged when they're obviously from a non-white heritage, but have a better a better command of the English language and customs than some indigenous Brits? Are they trying to be 'white'? What about white people who wear 'ethnic' clothing or adopt other religions i.e. Muslim or Buddhist etc. Are they frauds? I don't think so.

No one thinks so.

 

[butchersapron]

How are say Indian people judged when they're obviously from a non-white heritage, but have a better a better command of the English language and customs than some indigenous Brits? Are they trying to be 'white'? What about white people who wear 'ethnic' clothing or adopt other religions i.e. Muslim or Buddhist etc. Are they frauds? I don't think so.

That's why I don't necessarily cry foul at the reports of this woman (allegedly) pretending to be black. Maybe she's subverting the whole race angle, by showing that we're all the same underneath - in spite of what our outward appearance might suggest or represent.

No, you're talking bollocks so you can do some race stuff. Innocent questions. indigenous Brits

 

[J Ed]

Goodness her art is weird

 

[winifred]

No, you're talking bollocks so you can do some race stuff. Innocent questions. indigenous Brits

This whole thread is pretty much predicated on race. If you don't like what you're hearing then why don't you just leave the thread, rather than mouthing off at others?

 

[butchersapron]

Goodness her art is weird

It's like faking what she thinks a black artist would do.