White civil rights leader has pretended to be black for years

[butchersapron]

Who are we to say that she isn't a 18th/19th century british artist known for their landscapes and increasing obsession with light?

 

[Idris2002]

Who are we to say that she isn't a 18th/19th century british artist known for their landscapes and increasing obsession with light?

"My cousin moved to America and got a job as Tsar. Anything's possible in America".

 

[butchersapron]

Seems that the brilliant historian of the atlantic proletariat Marcus Rediker spotted that turner rip-off first

 

[Idris2002]

Is that the Many-Headed Hydra guy?

 

[butchersapron]

Is that the Many-Headed Hydra guy?

Yes, he co-wrote that brilliant book with Peter Linebaugh.

 

[Wilf]

Let's predict her defence on the artwork: I'm seeing the word 'homage' in there.

 

[Idris2002]

What an awful person.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's predict her defence on the artwork: I'm seeing the word 'homage' in there.

not omarj i hope

 

[Pickman's model]

What an awful person.

what a fucking rotter

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Would your average mug punter across the pond know Turner if he/she saw him though?

Article says that she was pulled up for it as soon as she put the painting on her blog.

 

[Idris2002]

what a fucking rotter

Poor show all round.

 

[Idris2002]

Article says that she was pulled up for it as soon as she put the painting on her blog.

WTF? You read the article?

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's predict her defence on the artwork: I'm seeing the word 'homage' in there.

i'm seeing the phrase 'brilliant minds think alike' in there

 

[Pickman's model]

WTF? You read the article?

yeh, can't be doing that, it's not the urban way

 

[Lurdan]

Police oversight panelists say Dolezal said in interview father was black police officer - The Spokesman-Review (Spokane)

Rachel Dolezal’s claims ‘lost the trust’

Also Monday, Eastern Washington University removed Dolezal’s biography from its website.

University spokesman Dave Meany said Dolezal was in a part-time teaching position that ended Friday when the academic quarter finished and no longer is employed at EWU.

He said whether she gets hired to another quarterly teaching contract in the fall would be up to the Africana education program, where Dolezal has worked on a quarter-by-quarter basis since 2010.

And in other developments Monday, the Pacific Northwest Inlander announced it had severed ties with Dolezal, who had been a freelance opinion columnist for the weekly tabloid.

and an older article about her adopted father
Albert Wilkerson Jr.

 

[butchersapron]

Article says that she was pulled up for it as soon as she put the painting on her blog.

Blog doesn't show that though - it shows people pulling her up over the last few days. It was posted in january 2012.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Blog doesn't show that though - it shows people pulling her up over the last few days. It was posted in january 2012.

Ah ok. More fool me for reading the article...

Of course it's possible that, until the last few days, nobody ever looked at her blog.

 

[8ball]

8 grand was the starting price for that piece btw.

The spoof website was more plausible than a lot of this.

 

[butchersapron]

There's other stuff related to that pic btw - it was the central part of a triptych which has a poem on the right panel by the brother who is apparently accused of sexual abuse and whose victim she is supporting.

 

[Pickman's model]

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

For Rachel Dolazel

 

[Idris2002]

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.

For Rachel Dolazel

Adrian Mitchell FTW.

They tuck you up, your mum and dad
They read you Peter Rabbit, too.
They give you all the treats they had
And add some extra, just for you.

They were tucked up when they were small,
(Pink perfume, blue tobacco-smoke),
By those whose kiss healed any fall,
Whose laughter doubled any joke.

Man hands on happiness to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
So love your parents all you can
And have some cheerful kids yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

Adrian Mitchell FTW.

They tuck you up, your mum and dad
They read you Peter Rabbit, too.
They give you all the treats they had
And add some extra, just for you.

They were tucked up when they were small,
(Pink perfume, blue tobacco-smoke),
By those whose kiss healed any fall,
Whose laughter doubled any joke.

Man hands on happiness to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
So love your parents all you can
And have some cheerful kids yourself.

yeh but it hasn't worked out like that for rachel dolazel

 

[Idris2002]

yeh but it hasn't worked out like that for rachel dolazel

Well, quite.

 

[MochaSoul]

Dios mio Are you ready America?

http://press.nbcnews.com/2015/06/15...n-nbc-news-and-msnbc-tuesday/?cid=sm_tw_msnbc

If she gets Rachel Maddow as her interviewer it will be entertaining.

 

[Pickman's model]

If she gets Rachel Maddow as her interviewer it will be entertaining.

perhaps she'll get martin bashir

 

[frogwoman]

Louis Theroux

 

[MochaSoul]

perhaps she'll get martin bashir

Eurgh!

 

[Pickman's model]

Louis Theroux

everyone he interviews turns out to be like sir jimmy savile obe kcsg

 

[Idris2002]

Or someone. . . unexpected.

Spoiler

 

[Sea Star]

If this had been someone who was born into the body of a white man, but identified as a white woman, and lived accordingly (including joining a feminist organisation), anyone who questioned that (even born women who were uncomfortable with it) would be branded a bigot. But, apparently, it's ok for anyone (black or white) to vilify this woman because she appears to be someone who was born in the body of a white woman, but identifies as a black woman, and lives accordingly (including joining a group which represents the interests of black people).

Why is that? Is it because gender is a social construct and race isn't? Is it because gender disphoria is medically recognised? Or some other reason?

I'm not trying to derail this thread, or revisit the issues raised on the other one, but this is directly relevant; it's a clear parallel, but the response is very different - I'm interested in why. For what it's worth, I 'feel' that there's a difference: whilst I consider transwomen to be women, I wouldn't consider this woman to be black. But I can't properly explain why. Is there a rational basis for such a position? Or for the counter-position?

Because gender identitiy is not something you choose. When you're trans you cannot pretend to be cis. When you transition to female you are not pretending - it is real - and you cannot then suddenly decide to go back to being male, because you never were.

There is a huge difference!!