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Which way would you vote in an EU referendum?

Would you vote for British withdrawal from the EU?

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butchersapron said:
Some decent people on that pro-eu list. Wonder if any of them well say why they voted that way.
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I just don't want a large number of my friends to get thrown out of the country. Economically we're dammed if we do and damned if we don't, politically I can see both sides but don't much care for either of them. All I really care about is my friends not getting thrown out of the country.
 
redsquirrel said:
How many of you were pro-AV?
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I said I was undecided but would probably vote in favour. In the end I remained undecided and abstained.

AV was a shit compromise that I didn't really see working well in PR terms, but would also have taken away the concept of having a local MP.

Personally I think we should stick with the current system for the commons, but have full PR to elect what's now the house of lords, so the parties still get to nominate which old timers they want in the upper chamber, but we get to decide what proportion each party should have. Something along those line anyway.
 
SpookyFrank said:
I just don't want a large number of my friends to get thrown out of the country. Economically we're dammed if we do and damned if we don't, politically I can see both sides but don't much care for either of them. All I really care about is my friends not getting thrown out of the country.
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Just on this - Britain's contribution to the EU's combined paramilitary border police force help throw people out of member states in larger quantities than Britain's own UKBA (which even though we are in the EU) still throws people out of the country.

The EU is a very destructive force in order to try and get in Turkey has been forced/persuaded depending how you look at it to militarise and seal off its borders and deport illegal immigrants. See here and elsewhere.

I'm with you that EU or not doesn't make much of a difference, but to vote to stay in would be to allow democratic legitimacy on EU's behaviour.
 
Why should some people fear the word of the electorate? Let the people have their say in a referendum and then abide by the result. Surely that is the democratic solution!
 
weltweit said:
Why should some people fear the word of the electorate? Let the people have their say in a referendum and then abide by the result. Surely that is the democratic solution!
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It would be if there weren't a multitude of ways to "load" the referendum so that the result will reflect what is wanted by the ruling classes.
 
If UKIP and a load of Tories are against Europe - it makes me want to stay - despite all the many problems associated with membership, there are benefits as well

Labour seem to just want to keep quiet about whether or not they are in favour of a referendum
 
So the EU have made a vote match thing for the upcoming EU elections, a bit of a silly exercise! http://www.myvote2014.eu

Apparently the MEP and party that best represent me are: Mikael Gustafsson / Sinn Féin

:rolleyes:
 
J Ed said:
So the EU have made a vote match thing for the upcoming EU elections, a bit of a silly exercise! http://www.myvote2014.eu

Apparently the MEP and party that best represent me are: Mikael Gustafsson / Sinn Féin

:rolleyes:
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I got (assuming I've translated it right) the Catalonian Socialist party.

Whatever their merits, not sure they are going to have a candidate round here...

:hmm:

(ETA - I have 0% in common with UKIP, so I must be doing something right...)
 
Puddy_Tat said:
I got (assuming I've translated it right) the Catalonian Socialist party.

Whatever their merits, not sure they are going to have a candidate round here...

:hmm:

(ETA - I have 0% in common with UKIP, so I must be doing something right...)
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same here. i must see if we can get a south london branch started up.
 
So, rather than start a new thread, this one looks on topic.

With Cameron being re-elected it looks like the EU referendum is on.

Do you think he can renegotiate the UKs position in the EU meaningfully?

Are you pro or anti the EU?

The opinion polls have been very volatile, which way do you expect the vote to go?
 
100 percent pro. for a lot of reasons.
Not least because not being in the EU would complicate my hoped-for retirement to France in 5 years' time and I don't have a potential French spouse lined up.
 
I'm a socialist so of course I'm anti. Whether I'd bother to campaign and/or vote is another matter, probably depending on whether I'm back living in the UK by then or not.

I expect that the vote will be to remain in the EU.
 
I'd support an anti vote. If successful, will be weird to see border patrols nine miles from my parents house in Monaghan. I do wonder what it means for EU citizens like me living in London but aside from those personal considerations I see it as a chance to kick the bosses in the knackers.
 
I see it as a risk we might say bye bye to lots of jobs dependent on our equal access to the single market. I already live in Europe and want it to remain that way. That is not to say that some renegotiation would not be welcome but I would have preferred if Cameron had not been reelected so the issue would not have arisen.

The way the opinion polls have been nothing is a certainty.
 
Yeah fuck em let's call their bluff and vote out, that'll shake things up. As with Scottish independence, if all the main parties rally to say tell us no, we gotta say yes
 
Cameron is not even offering and in/out referendum but a) out or b) support my renegotiation, which is essentially some opt out of minimal social legislation because he believes British workers have too many. Due to his utter ineptitude he's boxed himself into a corner as its unlikely that 27 members let alone Merkel will grant favours to a spineless leader who panders to far-right populists, especially over freedom of movement. So its likely he will bumble Britain into an exit on low referendum turnout. Which in turn will see the end of the union with Scotland. Cameron is related to Lord North.

The Tories have already started banging on about the EU this morning and will be talking to themselves obsessing about this for the next two years. Republicanism has a higher level of support than people who worry about EU membership. But nevertheless it will dominate the media echo chamber while the likes of Duncan-Smith will quietly carry on with his daily business of raising the suicide level of disability claimants.

flypanam said:
I'd support an anti vote. If successful, will be weird to see border patrols nine miles from my parents house in Monaghan. I do wonder what it means for EU citizens like me living in London but aside from those personal considerations I see it as a chance to kick the bosses in the knackers.
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How so, don't bosses make loads of money in a closed derigiste economy as well? Many of them a great deal more.

Flavour said:
Yeah fuck em let's call their bluff and vote out, that'll shake things up. As with Scottish independence, if all the main parties rally to say tell us no, we gotta say yes
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Think you'll find most people said no but I take your point about the rise of Scots nationalism. The only problem is that they're saying Yes to the EU.
 
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youngian said:
Cameron is not even offering and in/out referendum but a) out or b) support my renegotiation, which is essentially some opt out of minimal social legislation because he believes British workers have too many. Due to his utter ineptitude he's boxed himself into a corner as its unlikely that 27 members let alone Merkel will grant favours to a spineless leader who panders to far-right populists, especially over freedom of movement. So its likely he will bumble Britain into an exit on low referendum turnout. Which in turn will see the end of the union with Scotland. Cameron is related to Lord North.

The Tories have already started banging on about the EU this morning and will be talking to themselves obsessing about this for the next two years. Republicanism has a higher level of support than people who worry about EU membership. But nevertheless it will dominate the media echo chamber while the likes of Duncan-Smith will quietly carry on with his daily business of raising the suicide level of disability claimants.


How so, don't bosses make loads of money in a closed derigiste economy as well? Many of them a great deal more.
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Great, so you lot there, yes you, don't strike in a neo-liberal economy because bosses make money in more state directed economies too. And you, you other lot don't strike in your state directed economy because bosses make money in a neo-liberal economy too.
 
butchersapron said:
Great, so you lot there, yes you, don't strike in a neo-liberal economy because bosses make money in more state directed economies too. And you, you other lot don't strike in your state directed economy because bosses make money in a neo-liberal economy too.
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I'm not entirely sure of the point but I think you're arguing that choices in economic management in a debate about EU membership doesn't really get you anywhere. I agree.
 
Maurice Picarda said:
is there a link for that? Seems a bit weird not to have a status quo option.
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This would split a yes vote. A simple Yes or No as UKIP suggest would be more honest but Cameron has to come back to offer some Danegeld to the the right of his party in the vein hope of shutting them up. With a smaller majority than Major and the demise of the Heseltines and Clarkes as a counter balance he hasn't got a hope of this strategy working even if EU partners bent over backward to accommodate his demands. And its likely this new Tory in-take will have an even bigger contingent of swivel eyed loons and populist hacks.
 
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