What's going on in the CIRCA thread?

[butchersapron]

And you weren't at the pub either. I think once out of local water you'll have even more trouble zaskar. You were already dirt. Now you're a tout as well. Albiet one who'll defend his touting as principles.

 

[Zaskar]

Zaskar, you said earlier on this thread that you are a nurse, that is your chosen career. So why are you a member of the NUJ?

Strings to my bow and all that....

Nurse, struggling journo, accuser, adviser, announcer, betrayer, blab, blabbermouth, canary, crier, deep throat, double-crosser, fat mouth, finger, fink, fork tongue, herald, informer, interviewer, journalist, messenger, nark, newsman, notifier, preacher, propagandist, rat, ratfink, singer, snake, sneak, snitcher, songbird, source, squealer, stool pigeon, stoolie, tattler, tattletale, tipster, weasel, and kitten molester.

No it wasnt a set up.... Not by me at least.

The very worst I will admit to is being a well meaning pawn in a game played by pawns.

I reamain saddened yet philosophical by the abuse and villification so many of you people striving for a better world have dished out to a naive jerk like me.

I really dont think I deserved it. It wasnt me that dropped the fucking rocks. Also please recall that others reported thier concerns and other admitted to it too.

This has all been a bit sad really but I am sure you all feel vindicated by eachothers enthusiasm to intimidate me.

 

[IPRN]

I think once out of local water you'll have even more trouble zaskar.

I reckon so too.

You were already dirt. Now you're a tout as well.

Albiet one who'll defend his touting as principles.

Gaffer tape means you never have to listen to this crap.

 

[IPRN]

Strings to my bow and all that....

Nurse, struggling journo, accuser, adviser, announcer, betrayer, blab, blabbermouth, canary, crier, deep throat, double-crosser, fat mouth, finger, fink, fork tongue, herald, informer, interviewer, journalist, messenger, nark, newsman, notifier, preacher, propagandist, rat, ratfink, singer, snake, sneak, snitcher, songbird, source, squealer, stool pigeon, stoolie, tattler, tattletale, tipster, weasel, and kitten molester.

No it wasnt a set up.... Not by me at least.

The very worst I will admit to is being a well meaning pawn in a game played by pawns.

I reamain saddened yet philosophical by the abuse and villification so many of you people striving for a better world have dished out to a naive jerk like me.

I really dont think I deserved it. It wasnt me that dropped the fucking rocks. Also please recall that others reported thier concerns and other admitted to it too.

This has all been a bit sad really but I am sure you all feel vindicated by eachothers enthusiasm to intimidate me.

If there's anything worse than a manipulative mendacious tout, it's a manipulative mendacious whining tout.

 

[Zaskar]

And you weren't at the pub either. I think once out of local water you'll have even more trouble zaskar. You were already dirt. Now you're a tout as well. Albiet one who'll defend his touting as principles.

You asked me not to come, so I didnt. Just e mail me tho and I would be delighted to meet you.

 

[q_w_e_r_t_y]

NUJ huh?

Maybe that Sun story isn;t so far away.

Who do you do journalism for Z. now that you are not involved with Indymedia?

 

[butchersapron]

You asked me not to come, so I didnt. Just e mail me tho and I would be delighted to meet you.

I don't think so sunshine - my type and yours don't mix. Unless you come undercover that is...

 

[Zaskar]

I don't think so sunshine - my type and yours don't mix. Unless you come undercover that is...

Silly.

 

[butchersapron]

No, the worst enemy comes dresed as your friend with a video camera, and ego and flattery.

 

[Zaskar]

NUJ huh?

Maybe that Sun story isn;t so far away.

Who do you do journalism for Z. now that you are not involved with Indymedia?

I joined a journo union for my film making. i was after the press card mainly so that the police might not confiscate all my gear and stuff.

 

[Zaskar]

No, the worst enemy comes dresed as your friend with a video camera, and ego and flattery.

Sweet.

 

[butchersapron]

Sweet.

The truth often is.

 

[Zaskar]

The truth often is.

Mutable.

 

[butchersapron]

Mutable.

Sometimes not though. And that's when people get caught. Like you did.

 

[IPRN]

I joined a journo union for my film making. i was after the press card mainly so that the police might not confiscate all my gear and stuff.

So did you lie to the NUJ as well? Or are you making the larger proportion of your income from journalism?

 

[Zaskar]

Sometimes not though. And that's when people get caught. Like you did.

Thats odd you should say that, I never tried to hide what I did ?

Night all, sleep tight... x x

 

[butchersapron]

Thats odd you should say that, I never tried to hide what I did ?

Night all, sleep tight... x x

You didn't need to. Not if you wanted everyone to see it.

 

[TeeJay]

It's true though- someone does something that can hurt innocent people and get you grassed up, and you don't give a toss. Someone tries to get that person put behind bars and they're "bastard of the year".

I accept that maybe, possibly Zaskar could have been jumping the gun a little, or that you might have that perception, but, really, he's not the one doing the reckless endangerment of human life in your name.

Face it- you're a bunch of hypocrites. You were happy to tell the world you didn't want Tony Blair killing in your name, but not some Citizen Smith character.

Nuts to you, and nuts to "activism". Where was the "consultation" from this wannabe terrorist dickwad? Aren't you even mildly concerned about what he might get up to in future? It isn't that long since the ALF were dropping activists in the shit by doing much the same thing; carrying out violent attacks on "animal abusers" (ie Bristol University, some kid who happened to walk past a car they bombed) and letting their buddies take the heat.

And no, I'm not saying this because I'm in league with Zaskar and have a huge shitfight with BIM. If I really hated BIM I would never tune into it.

BIM is very very useful to all of us as a source of information, but it seems to be under threat from the "I'm an anarchist so I can do what I want" brigade using it to promote violent crime. Shame really.

But like I said, if letting vicious rock droppers parade themselves on your site is "activism", then consider me a fascist pig. Fuck you all.

Count up how many people on this thread have been laying into you. It is a handful - the same few people over and over again. No doubt there are many people here who are just reading this thread but don't want to comment. Maybe they know from previous experience with some of these posters that once they get their teeth into someone they can label a "tout" they will then go on and on forever calling them a cunt and every other name in the book until they have managed to hound them off the boards.

I am still waiting for a certain bristol-based pioster to say to my face what he has said on thse boards about me. I am looking forward to meeting him very much, because I would really like to know what it is that makes him tick.

I am not going to take a side in this argument vis-a-vis the correct course of action when you see something on Indymedia or wherever - my comment is purely about the modus operandum of certain posters on this thread.

They know who they are.

 

[butchersapron]

What an entirely useful post teejay - do you actively search for threads not to comment on? And to be outraged about?

Take a bit of your own medicine - care to comment on any of the substantive issues at hand, or just happy to stick your nose in if you scent abother who'll join you in having a pop at me? That road works two ways you know - come down here and give me the abuse in person you offer on here. If not, then well, fuck off out of it.

Oh yeah, welcome teejay, you've got a new tout mate. You're already sniffing round his arsehole. Too late though, he alreadys has other dogs.

 

[TeeJay]

Yes, it looks like they do know who they are.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, got their tongues up each other arses already.

You never ever live up to it do you?

 

[butchersapron]

So Teejay, what is the knowledge that you bring to this discussion? Just what is is that you have to say on the matter under discussion? I'm sure you've not intervemned just to try and make a stupid point, so let's have it, let's have your contribution to the current discussion please - you must have something to say, otherwise why have you stuck your oar in - let's have it:
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[rednblack]

fuck! i'd forgot why i don't like teedge,he's a self confessed tout as well

 

[TeeJay]

Here we go.

Care to remind everyone what you are talking about?

Something about shooting people and throwing them into ditches wasn't it?

Nice to get this back on topic - it is a clown thread after all.

 

[TeeJay]

...Just what is is that you have to say on the matter under discussion?...

I hate clowns.

There you go.

edit: *goes and checks CIRCA thread*

 

[Serotonin]

This has all the feelings of the problems with activism in the 70s and 80s where constant accusations of being informers hamstrung many groups. Often created by spooks themslevs.
In that case is our own very vocal "tout denouncer" all he seems?

Do tell IPFREELY.

 

[bristol_citizen]

The latest news from Bristol is that Zaskar didn't just provide the details of a post on Bristol Indymedia to the police, he also told them Bristol Indymedia kept IP addresses of contributors that the police could obtain AND he gave the name, address and contact details of at least one Bristol Indymedia volunteer (including all their work details). Presumably they're now having a charming experience at the hands of Avon & Somerset's CID...

 

[IPRN]

The latest news from Bristol is that Zaskar didn't just provide the details of a post on Bristol Indymedia to the police, he also told them Bristol Indymedia kept IP addresses of contributors that the police could obtain AND he gave the name, address and contact details of at least one Bristol Indymedia volunteer (including all their work details). Presumably they're now having a charming experience at the hands of Avon & Somerset's CID...

Which seems to be perfectly OK with the maggots recently posting on this thread. If there's anything worse than a well-established tout, it's those who act as his apologists.

 

[TeeJay]

IPRN I have tried to work out where you are coming from (politically) in all this, but all I seem to know is that you are an ex-guerrilla fighter who likes guns, knives and hiking boots, dislikes clowns, and has a vast amount of shite to thrown around about people.

I would really like to hear you express some kind of principles or ideology, talk about what you support or would like to see, or maybe even talk a bit more about the kind of things you are involved with and support.

It might, amongst other things, save me a lot of time trying to persuade you about things which you wouldn't agree with or pay attention to in a million years, no matter how much effort I made.

Just to kick things off: I am a middle-of-the-road liberal type person who thinks that extremists of the left, right or whatever are as bad as each other.

And you? A class-struggle anarchist who wants to neck-shot all class enemies as decided upon by automous workers assemblies maybe?

 

[badnewswade]

Wow, you're so tough and hard. Can I have a blow job? Or don't the Mafia do blow jobs for friends of enemies of the people

Seriously, all this running around trying to intimidate people who don't agree with your "code of silence" bullcrap is kind of pathetic. Did we all just join the Mafia or the Nazi Party or something when we posted on these boards? Do we not have any civil or human rights any more? I'm confused, because I thought you wanted to improve the world, but you just seem to want to act hard and macho by threatening folk.

I repeat, your idiot rock dropping buddy grassed themselves up when they posted details of a serious crime they'd commited on a PUBLIC talkboard. What a moron.

BIM want to control what people who don't agree with them say and do on their site, but they don't want to be responsible for their chums little pranks, and hey, guess what? some people don't think that way.

Look at the original thread and you'll find that Zasker is NOT the only person to have done it and NOT the only person to admit to it?

Are you going to send a hit squad after the other person on the thread? Track them down to their "safe house", break through the police protection such notorious stoolies get, and kill 'em? Cause you're so big and hard.

Get lives and your own apartments, saddoes, your fantasies of being some kind of hard case would be funny as a TV show, in real life it's just sick.

BTW you're the maggots around here, genuine activists need need thugs, posers and agent provocateurs like you like they need a hole in the head.