What's going on in the CIRCA thread?

[Zaskar]

What on earth do i mean? You know exactly what i mean. As does any other person unfortunate to have had you following them with your camera.

Ask yourself why there is trail of argumensts and disruption following in your wake - here, other places and in real life. Why is that?

Well you dont seem shy, ask me to stop, nicely if you can, and I wont film you.

Still

As to your second. I am afraid that is a very personal question and I fear you are not ansking ofr any other reason other than to attack me with the information I provide.

Actually you paint a rather depressing picture of my life. The last few years have been hard, but for the most part I am happy and at peace with those around me.

 

[butchersapron]

Well you dont seem shy, ask me to stop, nicely if you can, and I wont film you.

Still

As to your second. I am afraid that is a very personal question and I fear you are not ansking ofr any other reason other than to attack me with the information I provide.

Well, i'll be at the pub tonight. I prefer opt-in rather than opt out. As do most people. It's only polite after all.

 

[DaveCinzano]

zaskar, you've been strangely quiet on your whole fall-out with bristol indymedia (and i don't mean this latest episode). and badnewswade as well!

dare i say it, to me it sounds more like your personal dislikes/disagreements etc have come to the fore on this.

 

[badnewswade]

Because he did so unilaterally and automatically, without consulting people who he knows well as former-colleagues.

So you don't have ANY problem with the guy who did this then, or do you just find it less disturbing than someone actually reporting it?

No he hasn't, he's basically accused of BIM of condoning the content of the post and both of you have accused most of the people on this thread of condoning it.

You don't seem that concerned about someone doing a crime in your name, then bragging about it, even though this affects you all.

Someone reporting that crime, however is evil and must be destroyed. because he was perhaps jumping the gun a bit. Is that it? Have I got your position right?

 

[DaveCinzano]

marvellous!

can we expect a wordy zine rant, complete with angry, adolescent cartoons next, bnw?



anyone would think you had a longstanding bee in your bonnet about the 'vegan secret police', sorry, activists, derived from personal rather than political or moral grounds...

 

[badnewswade]

marvellous!

can we expect a wordy zine rant, complete with angry, adolescent cartoons next, bnw?



anyone would think you had a longstanding bee in your bonnet about the 'vegan secret police', sorry, activists, derived from personal rather than political or moral grounds...

Feeling the heat, bristle-krs? Quit dead-agenting me and answer the questions.

 

[Zaskar]

Well, i'll be at the pub tonight. I prefer opt-in rather than opt out. As do most people. It's only polite after all.

Actually I very often ask, people rarely refuse, actually people often ask me to film stuff....

Aslo stopping to ask every persion in front of the lens is a trifle tricky as any photographer can tell you.

On a personal note if you are unhappy iwth a portrayal of your good self ion any of my films then please contact me and i will attempt to make amnends.

However if you are saying I shouldnt film anything ever just cos some nasty wanker and his uptight get a life mtes dont like it, well you can fuck right off.

SOrry but I have enough of this now. I have attempted to be honest and for the most part decnt and calm and I have recieved the most foul respones from some holier than thou aresholes who would rther hate than talk sensibly.

As for being ostracised by you lot, PHEW.

 

[Zaskar]

zaskar, you've been strangely quiet on your whole fall-out with bristol indymedia (and i don't mean this latest episode). and badnewswade as well!

dare i say it, to me it sounds more like your personal dislikes/disagreements etc have come to the fore on this.

Are you joking ? ?

Me, quiet about our tiff.... I most certainly wasnt.

I assure you my motivation at the start of all this was not malign EXCEPT to the rock droppers who I hope get caught.

 

[Sorry.]

Hey, if you're talking to me, then guess what? I don't really WANT to be in the company of a bunch of fuckwits like that, people who might get the cops sicced on their readers by allowing dangerous nutters to boast about their crimes on their site. Seriously, what's next? Maybe the ALF will bomb something and these fucktards'll be going on about how great this is, and the next thing you know we all get a visit from the Old Bill.

Nice.

I love the way BIM are allowed to "proclaim" themselves left activists, but nobody else is allowed to do anything without having officially approved of anything and everything BIM might do, now or in the future.

Perhaps they could trade mark the concept. LeftActivismTM: "When I'm vandalising things and endangering people's lives, there's nothing I like to do more than brag about it to BRISTOL INDYMEDIA(R). LeftActivismTM: Elitist, selfish, violent, and unaccountable. Exactly the opposite of what it says on the tin."

You quite finished with your stupid straw man?

You want to call someone to account and they're former colleagues/fellow activists, you might want to try actually talking to them about it.

 

[Zaskar]

thread turned out better than i thought it would

It certainly has !

Very, umm, illuminating.

Got to pop out for a bit, but keep the posting up and I promise to respond as best i can in a bit.

 

[butchersapron]

Are you joking ? ?

Me, quiet about our tiff.... I most certainly wasnt.

I assure you my motivation at the start of all this was not malign EXCEPT to the rock droppers who I hope get caught.

But as i said above, no one who knows the context believes you for a second.

 

[badnewswade]

You quite finished with your stupid straw man?

You want to call someone to account and they're former colleagues/fellow activists, you might want to try actually talking to them about it.

See? To this man rock droppers are former colleagues / fellow activists.

Astounding.

 

[butchersapron]

You quite finished with your stupid straw man?

You want to call someone to account and they're former colleagues/fellow activists, you might want to try actually talking to them about it.

Mate, don't waste your time on this one.

 

[badnewswade]

It would be nice if you could answer a straight question with a straight answer.

I'll try again:

Because he did so unilaterally and automatically, without consulting people who he knows well as former-colleagues.

So you don't have ANY problem with the guy who did this then, or do you just find it less disturbing than someone actually reporting it?

No he hasn't, he's basically accused of BIM of condoning the content of the post and both of you have accused most of the people on this thread of condoning it.

You don't seem that concerned about someone doing a crime in your name, then bragging about it, even though this affects you all.

Someone reporting that crime, however is evil and must be destroyed. because he was perhaps jumping the gun a bit. Is that it? Have I got your position right?

 

[Zaskar]

But as i said above, no one who knows the context believes you for a second.

As is your right. But if you know me you will also know I am obsessively, and often stupidly honest.

I bear the bimmers no ill will and support the aims if the site, i just think htey are a bit crap.

This thread has got to the point where many of you are arguing on the basis of assumptions and prejudice. Can everyone just calm down a bit !!! !

 

[Sorry.]

So you don't have ANY problem with the guy who did this then, or do you just find it less disturbing than someone actually reporting it?

Of course I have a problem with people pointlessly endangering indymedia servers.

You don't seem that concerned about someone doing a crime in your name, then bragging about it, even though this affects you all.

Who's defending them?

Someone reporting that crime, however is evil and must be destroyed. because he was perhaps jumping the gun a bit. Is that it? Have I got your position right?

No, my position is that he's shown a complete disregard for BIM and a rather frivolous attitude toward calling the police.

 

[Sorry.]

See? To this man rock droppers are former colleagues / fellow activists.

Astounding.

fuck off, you lying, disingenuous twat.

 

[Zaskar]

Of course I have a problem with people pointlessly endangering indymedia servers.



Who's defending them?



No, my position is that he's shown a complete disregard for BIM and a rather frivolous attitude toward calling the police.

We ahve been over that earlier in the thread and you all chose to assume I was lying as you have done with many of my posts.

Must go to shops a sec.

 

[IPRN]

I have attempted to be honest.

LIAR! You made out that you contacted the cops because you didn't know how to contact BIM directly, then it turns out you were a former member of their collective (with an axe to grind.)

You say that people don't object to you filming them. Maybe that's because they don't know you're a snivelling little grass.

If you try filming in Leeds again you better bring some of your copper mates with you.

 

[IPRN]

I am obsessively, and often stupidly honest.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IPRN]

It would be nice if you could answer a straight question with a straight answer.

I'll try again:





So you don't have ANY problem with the guy who did this then, or do you just find it less disturbing than someone actually reporting it?



You don't seem that concerned about someone doing a crime in your name, then bragging about it, even though this affects you all.

Someone reporting that crime, however is evil and must be destroyed. because he was perhaps jumping the gun a bit. Is that it? Have I got your position right?

Are you retarded????

 

[badnewswade]

It's true though- someone does something that can hurt innocent people and get you grassed up, and you don't give a toss. Someone tries to get that person put behind bars and they're "bastard of the year".

I accept that maybe, possibly Zaskar could have been jumping the gun a little, or that you might have that perception, but, really, he's not the one doing the reckless endangerment of human life in your name.

Face it- you're a bunch of hypocrites. You were happy to tell the world you didn't want Tony Blair killing in your name, but not some Citizen Smith character.

Nuts to you, and nuts to "activism". Where was the "consultation" from this wannabe terrorist dickwad? Aren't you even mildly concerned about what he might get up to in future? It isn't that long since the ALF were dropping activists in the shit by doing much the same thing; carrying out violent attacks on "animal abusers" (ie Bristol University, some kid who happened to walk past a car they bombed) and letting their buddies take the heat.

And no, I'm not saying this because I'm in league with Zaskar and have a huge shitfight with BIM. If I really hated BIM I would never tune into it.

BIM is very very useful to all of us as a source of information, but it seems to be under threat from the "I'm an anarchist so I can do what I want" brigade using it to promote violent crime. Shame really.

But like I said, if letting vicious rock droppers parade themselves on your site is "activism", then consider me a fascist pig. Fuck you all.

 

[IPRN]

But like I said, if letting vicious rock droppers parade themselves on your site is "activism", then consider me a fascist pig. Fuck you all.

I just consider you as someone who is either too lazy to read this thread properly, or just a fucking idiot.

 

[IPRN]

DC 1062 Saysell
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Are you trying to get people to give their names to the cops?

 

[WasGeri]

The police knoked on my door the other day asking about a stabbing round here, was that hassling me ?

A stabbing in Eastville?

Where was that?

 

[Zaskar]

LIAR! You made out that you contacted the cops because you didn't know how to contact BIM directly, then it turns out you were a former member of their collective (with an axe to grind.)

You say that people don't object to you filming them. Maybe that's because they don't know you're a snivelling little grass.

If you try filming in Leeds again you better bring some of your copper mates with you.

No sorry, I am not a liar. What is it with you, why are you so obsessed with me ?

Have you seen the bim list, they were not botherd about helping the police.

I admit i dint try to contact them, I only have a few emails. Why should I contact them, i think we discussed that. Many others did the same in contacting the police...... remember.

This thread is not interesting but it is really just an attack on me, a person who doesnt do the group think very well and always expresses opinions hoinestly and attempts dialogue with even the most nasty of posters..... It must be the masochist in me.....

 

[IPRN]

Originally Posted by Zaskar
The police knoked on my door the other day asking about a stabbing round here, was that hassling me ?

They probably knocked on your door because you are a well-known local grass.

 

[Zaskar]

Originally Posted by Zaskar
The police knoked on my door the other day asking about a stabbing round here, was that hassling me ?

They probably knocked on your door because you are a well-known local grass.

My dear that was an allusion to illustrate a point. You are starting to look a bit mad.

 

[Zaskar]

A stabbing in Eastville?

Where was that?

No dont worry it was ages ago, a bloke opposite who ran a brothel, 5 years maybe, from where i come from the other day can mean ages ago....

 

[IPRN]

No sorry, I am not a liar. What is it with you, why are you so obsessed with me ?

Have you seen the bim list, they were not botherd about helping the police.

I admit i dint try to contact them, I only have a few emails. Why should I contact them, i think we discussed that. Many others did the same in contacting the police...... remember.

This thread is not interesting but it is really just an attack on me, a person who doesnt do the group think very well and always expresses opinions hoinestly and attempts dialogue with even the most nasty of posters..... It must be the masochist in me.....

What makes you think I'm obsessed with you, you crank?

Anybody reading this thread can see that you're a liar. I don't know why you don't at least read back through your own posts so that you can at least be consistent.

Stop whining, you self-pitying tout, any ill-will that people now bear you is entirely your own fault. My sympathy is with BIM, who are having to deal with the cops because of you. I suspect even the OB get sick of hearing from you.