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The character Pacino plays was (and apparently this is true to the original real-life case) hoping to steal enough money to pay for his gay lover's sex-change operation. The average suburban gobshite would, I'm surmising, have watched this and starting hoping for "a rain to come and clean the scum off the streets", to quote Travis Bickle. And that's how -again, I'm surmising - Reagan was helped sweep to power in 1980.
he's a very sympathetic character though isn't he? I'd find it a bit surprising if it had that sort of effect, not that I know anything about it or Reagan.

it is a great film though, I watched it earlier in the year.
 
The character Pacino plays was (and apparently this is true to the original real-life case) hoping to steal enough money to pay for his gay lover's sex-change operation. The average suburban gobshite would, I'm surmising, have watched this and starting hoping for "a rain to come and clean the scum off the streets", to quote Travis Bickle. And that's how -again, I'm surmising - Reagan was helped sweep to power in 1980.

And an attempt was made on his life by a real life Travis Bickle. Ironic?
 
he's a very sympathetic character though isn't he? I'd find it a bit surprising if it had that sort of effect, not that I know anything about it or Reagan.

it is a great film though, I watched it earlier in the year.
His character is sympathetic, but he's also clearly the sort of bad guy who thinks he's a good guy. And the average suburban or blue-collar schmo isn't going to be converted to the LGBTQ cause by a Hollywood movie, even less so in the 70s than today.
 
His character is sympathetic, but he's also clearly the sort of bad guy who thinks he's a good guy. And the average suburban or blue-collar schmo isn't going to be converted to the LGBTQ cause by a Hollywood movie, even less so in the 70s than today.
well sure but I can't really see it causing them to go in the opposite direction either... do films really ever have that kind of effect?
 
His character is sympathetic, but he's also clearly the sort of bad guy who thinks he's a good guy. And the average suburban or blue-collar schmo isn't going to be converted to the LGBTQ cause by a Hollywood movie, even less so in the 70s than today.
The culture of the day was mostly very homophobic, Dog Day Afternoon was at least unusual in its matter of fact, non-judgemental representation of its main character's sexuality, but it's neither positive nor negative. If you were homophobic you could claim that the film reinforced how LGBTQ people were morally flawed as the lead character is a criminal.

Considered how all-pervasive homophobia was and how there was a lack of positive representations of LGBTQ people, I don't think this film had much influence on way or another.
 
The culture of the day was mostly very homophobic, Dog Day Afternoon was at least unusual in its matter of fact, non-judgemental representation of its main character's sexuality, but it's neither positive nor negative. If you were homophobic you could claim that the film reinforced how LGBTQ people were morally flawed as the lead character is a criminal.

That's what I was trying to say.

Considered how all-pervasive homophobia was and how there was a lack of positive representations of LGBTQ people, I don't think this film had much influence on way or another.

I wouldn't say it had much influence one way or the other, but it would have been part of a steady "drip, drip" of media product that challenged White AmeriKKKa's view of itself - challenged that view in ways that helped inspire and sustain the backlash that started rolling with Nixon in 1968.

Though it was interesting that Pacino's character was apparently a Goldwaterite in 1964.
 
Pacino was also in Cruising, which I think kicked up quite a fuss on its release:
Cruising (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I have not seen it, but I like this Skatt Bros fan vid :


mmmm poppers....

The NYC gay community really kicked off when that was being shot, it was the last straw when it comes to negative representations. It's a fairly confused film in what it wants to say and objectionable in the way it suggests that kinky sex will turn you into a serial killer, but now it's also a fascinating document of the pre-AIDS hedonism of its day. It's hard to believe that a Hollywood studio actually bankrolled a film like this and it's a curiosity worth a watch.
 
What was the first movie to have a sympathetic depiction of gay people?

One of the characters in The League of Gentlemen happens to be gay, for example, and that's from about 1960.
 
What was the first movie to have a sympathetic depiction of gay people?

One of the characters in The League of Gentlemen happens to be gay, for example, and that's from about 1960.

From 1919, curtesy of the Weimar Republic:

Different from the Others - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were a few other sympathetic gay characters in German films till the early 30s.

After that there were characters who were coded as gay in British and Hollywood films, but never explicitly so and only those in the know would catch on to it. Not till the 60s when censorship became more relaxed, were there explicitly gay characters, so you may well be right. The most famous British film was Victim from 1961 with Dirk Bogarde, which is thought to have helped changing social attitudes and the law in decriminalising homosexuality.
 
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What was the first movie to have a sympathetic depiction of gay people?

One of the characters in The League of Gentlemen happens to be gay, for example, and that's from about 1960.
there was A Taste of Honey from around the same year too, where it is more of a major theme
 
Am halfway through Spotless. Still not entirely sold on it for a number of reasons, but it's doing enough to keep us going for now.
 
Brooklyn - Saoirse Ronan puts a tremendous performance in the film of Colm Toibin's novel. Brilliant.

Mr Robot - Ep 1. Ok, I'm hooked. So far it's like Person of Interest meets The Matrix meets Fight Club.
 
Sing Street about a group of Dublin teenagers who start a band in the early 80s. Quite sweet, but not as great as the reviews claim. It's nothing new and the band is just a little too good to be believable. I'm also reaching 80s nostalgia overkill. Passes the time well enough but The Commitments did this better.
 
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The Admiral (aka Roaring Currents) - 2014 - via Amazon Prime Video. The most-watched film EVER in S Korea. Passionately jingoistic tubthumping historical epic (sort of) about a famous naval battle of 1597 when they repelled the attacking Japanese fleet and saved the future. Choi Min Sik out of Oldboy does a lot of frowning. Everyone does lots of gruff manly shouting. There's a lot of stuff about sea-battle tactics, weaponry, noble self-sacrifice etc etc etc. Basically it is Elizabeth: the Golden Age or We Dive At Dawn but in Korean. No real human/emotional/dramatic soppy stuff, but that is OK because it's reasonably stylish (lots of shock zooms and post-Saving Private Ryan slomo and post-explosion deafness) and well paced. Did I mention it was insanely nationalistic and patriotic? Because it is.

Also full of obsessively-detailed costuming and really rather well-done CGI. Special commendation to Ryu Seung-ryong rocking an exceptionally strong look as Japanese naval commander known as "King of the Pirates":
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All of 'Wolverine and the X men'. Seriously these cartoons are better than the films. Its not just cos its cynically got their most rated character in the title, theres all sorts. Destruction of genosha, phoenix, all sorts. Made me want to dig out some old boxes...
 
Blazing Saddles - it's very crude and pretty offensive - it certainly wouldn't get made today - but it remains one of the funniest films of all time. I love the mediaeval hangman.
Young Frankenstein is even funnier though, so will watch that next week
 
An episode of DS9 where sisko is a comic book writer in what looked like 30s america. Lots of other characters were also in his hallucination? Prophet led intervention? lots of comments on race and so forth. Really strange alt. episode. Not holodeck either, those are axiomaticaly shite
 
An episode of DS9 where sisko is a comic book writer in what looked like 30s america. Lots of other characters were also in his hallucination? Prophet led intervention? lots of comments on race and so forth. Really strange alt. episode. Not holodeck either, those are axiomaticaly shite

Hate the holodeck eps but that one was agreeable.
 
Eye in the Sky

A terrible script and somewhat underwhelming performances from the leads (Alan Rickman's final performance) make this a rather tepid affair. Some interesting aspects, as one person after the other passes the buck on making a kill decision. Nicely shot, and Barkhad Abdi is good, even tho they quite often subtitled him when he was speaking English.
 
The Conjouring 2 - this is the Enfield Haunting from the American angle, with the mother out of Bates Motel as the lead. Pretty good. Not that scary or owt but worth a watch.

Started season 1 of Elementary - Johnny Lee Miller and Lucy Lui play Holmes and Watson in New York. Not as polished as the UK 3-parters with Bengledink Humbersnatch but good easy watching telly, and there's absolutely loads of them.
 
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