What DVD / Video did you watch last night? (pt3)

[Johnny Vodka]

Can't you just sit back and enjoy a film without seeing -ists and -isms everywhere? Reminds me of some comments I read about Eden Lake and it demonising young people of a certain class. Christ, if you're going to complain about horror films, there's a lot to get through before you start considering racism. Most of them aren't exactly PC anyway.

 

[Orang Utan]

Can't you just sit back and enjoy a film without seeing -ists and -isms everywhere? Reminds me of some comments I read about Eden Lake and it demonising young people of a certain class. Christ, if you're going to complain about horror films, there's a lot to get through before you start considering racism. Most of them aren't exactly PC anyway.

It's not a question of 'seeing', it's a questions of pointing out something evident. That was the thing that struck me most of all about the film. Can't remember much else.
I have a right to make this observation.

 

[Dexter Deadwood]

Episodes 9 and 10 of Breaking Bad season 5.
I was tired and didn't enjoy it as much as i hoped.

 

[belboid]

Can't you just sit back and enjoy a film without seeing -ists and -isms everywhere? Reminds me of some comments I read about Eden Lake and it demonising young people of a certain class. Christ, if you're going to complain about horror films, there's a lot to get through before you start considering racism. Most of them aren't exactly PC anyway.

fucking hell, did you really just write that? Racism and bigotry don't matter if they're in a film? Wow

Drag Me was lazy, poorly written, poorly acted, uninspired, and, yes, racist. But who cares, cos you fancied the woman in it.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

fucking hell, did you really just write that? Racism and bigotry don't matter if they're in a film? Wow

Drag Me was lazy, poorly written, poorly acted, uninspired, and, yes, racist. But who cares, cos you fancied the woman in it.

It's a film about a gyspy curse ffs. Do you complain about black people being associated with voodoo in films? IIRC it was pretty well received, a better Sam Raimi film than all that Spiderman nonsense. Get a grip y'all.

 

[belboid]

Do you complain about black people being associated with voodoo in films?

I do if they're done that badly, yes.

 

[DotCommunist]

wonder how JV views mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffany's

 

[belboid]

depends on whether he fancies Audrey Hepburn or not

 

[DotCommunist]

the voodoo/black thing is particularly heavy handed in Predator 2


its otherwise a great film but that angle a bit errrrr

 

[Johnny Vodka]

wonder how JV views mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffany's

Never seen it.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

the voodoo/black thing is particularly heavy handed in Predator 2


its otherwise a great film but that angle a bit errrrr

It's a film about an alien killing people, not a comment on race.

I wonder how people feel about Halloween; after all, it doesn't show people with mental health issues in a good light.

 

[DotCommunist]

i take it the concept of the death of the author is alien to you

 

[MellySingsDoom]

It's a film about an alien killing people, not a comment on race.

I wonder how people feel about Halloween; after all, it doesn't show people with mental health issues in a good light.

If you think "Halloween" is bad for that, you should see Jesus Franco's giallo "tribute" "Bloody Moon" - there's more mental-health facepalm in that than you can shake a stick at. (And one of the lead actor's names is a pseudonym for a Belgian serial killer )

 

[belboid]

It's a film about an alien killing people, not a comment on race.

so, if a film is about aliens, it cant be racist? Just stick ET into Triumph of the Will and everything's lovely!

 

[Orang Utan]

Many horror/slasher films are misogynist too, Jonny!

 

[Orang Utan]

If you think "Halloween" is bad for that, you should see Jesus Franco's giallo "tribute" "Bloody Moon" - there's more mental-health facepalm in that than you can shake a stick at. (And one of the lead actor's names is a pseudonym for a Belgian serial killer )

And all those found footage cannibal films are far from politically correct. But this muppet thinks it's unseemly to observe this.

 

[DotCommunist]

Many horror/slasher films are misogynist too, Jonny!

mate of mine once argued for A level film studies that the stabbing in Psycho is a metaphor for penetrative rape.

Not sure if I buy that.

 

[belboid]

mate of mine once argued for A level film studies that the stabbing in Psycho is a metaphor for penetrative rape.

Not sure if I buy that.

well, its not a million miles away. It is down to his own sexual inadequacies and failings

 

[Orang Utan]

well, its not a million miles away. It is down to his own sexual inadequacies and failings

Jonny's take on cinema?

 

[MellySingsDoom]

And all those found footage cannibal films are far from politically correct. But this muppet thinks it's unseemly to observe this.

Agreed - even "Cannibal Holocaust" (a film I have some time for) suffers from this (the "savage tribespeople" meme). "Cannibal Ferox" is atrocious as well as being politically dodgy; "Deep River Savages" (another Lenzi "triumph") isn't quite as bad but has Ivan Rassimov chewing the scenery, and much animal cruelty too. "Last Cannibal World" has its moments (there's a stunning sequence in a cave where Massimo Foschi is literally forced to fly like a bird), but again we have the "savages" and a horrible animal cruelty moment. "Eaten Alive" is so bad/ridiculous you can't take it seriously (Lenzi again!), but again Lenzi can't help himself w/regards to tribespeople. As for "Cannibal Terror", that looks so bad as to defy any analysis at all (and it's scripted by Jesus Franco too - Franco's scripts range from the interesting to frankly dire)

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Many horror/slasher films are misogynist too, Jonny!

Yes, I know many horror films are supposedly misogynistic. Are you going to tell me you don't enjoy horror films despite this? That's what I was getting at - it's daft to criticise a film for a bit of (supposed) gypsy racism when the whole genre is shot through with un-PC stuff. If you want PC viewing, I suggest avoiding horror films. The terrifying 'other' in many a horror film is often based on our worst prejudices.

 

[belboid]

Yes, I know many horror films are supposedly misogynistic. Are you going to tell me you don't enjoy horror films despite this? That's what I was getting at - it's daft to criticise a film for a bit of (supposed) gypsy racism when the whole genre is shot through with un-PC stuff. If you want PC viewing, I suggest avoiding horror films. The terrifying 'other' in many a horror film is often based on our worst prejudices.

and plenty aren't.

And, 'supposedly'? Fucks sake

 

[DotCommunist]

also treatment of 'the other' in art is not beyond critcism and analysis. I like Carpenter films- the Thing being my fave.

But look whose doing the assaulting in 'assault on precinct 13'. How the mob is voiceless, they don't even scream when burned. Its a tuat siege movie and well executed. That doesn't mean I'm going to turn my brain off and stop thinking about why that 'enemy' why then and what was it saying beyond the active intentions of the writers

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes, I know many horror films are supposedly misogynistic. Are you going to tell me you don't enjoy horror films despite this? That's what I was getting at - it's daft to criticise a film for a bit of (supposed) gypsy racism when the whole genre is shot through with un-PC stuff. If you want PC viewing, I suggest avoiding horror films. The terrifying 'other' in many a horror film is often based on our worst prejudices.

No, I generally enjoy them and watch all sorts of politically dodgy stuff. You can't avoid it and I wouldn't want to.
Why are you so averse to criticising films?

I suggest you watch Fight For Your Life. Lots to chew on in that. And try to talk about it without referring to racism, misogyny, prejudice and violence

 

[belboid]

I suggest you watch Fight For Your Life. Lots to chew on in that. And try to talk about it without referring to racism, misogyny, prejudice and violence

isn't that still banned over here?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

No, I generally enjoy them and watch all sorts of politically dodgy stuff. You can't avoid it and I wouldn't want to.
Why are you so averse to criticising films?

I'm happy to criticise films. But I also trust in that old tag line "It's only a movie". I can sort of see why someone might think DMTH is 'racist', but I doubt it was made with that intent and I think the label is OTT. It's no different from Jonathan Harker going to Transylvania and finding the locals a bit odd. I think you have to make allowances for horror films.

 

[belboid]

I think you have to make allowances for things I want to make allowances for

corrected for you

 

[MellySingsDoom]

isn't that still banned over here?

Yes indeed - the BBFC hit it with the censor banhammer when it was submitted for cinema release in the 70's,and the uncertificated video release was successfully prosecuted in the early 80's. Even with the BBFC now evincing a bit more lenient attitude towards a fair few of the old "nasties", I can't see this one ever being passed, really.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

I suggest you watch Fight For Your Life. Lots to chew on in that. And try to talk about it without referring to racism, misogyny, prejudice and violence

If you removed all that from "Fight For Your Life", you'd have about a five minute film!

 

[Johnny Vodka]

also treatment of 'the other' in art is not beyond critcism and analysis. I like Carpenter films- the Thing being my fave.

But look whose doing the assaulting in 'assault on precinct 13'. How the mob is voiceless, they don't even scream when burned. Its a tuat siege movie and well executed. That doesn't mean I'm going to turn my brain off and stop thinking about why that 'enemy' why then and what was it saying beyond the active intentions of the writers

So we actually have something in common. I love (some of) Carpenter's films but I wouldn't take much intent away from them bar an intent to thrill and scare.