What DVD / Video did you watch last night? (pt3)
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I thought it was incredibly weak and overlong- I suppose the bar had already been set high with incredible, which probably skewed my judgement a bit
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
That's what I thought the first time, but with my low expectations in place for a second viewing I think it faired a bit better. Plus I was drunk so it didn't seem all that long.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
it's not very nice though, is it?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i'm going to watch that tomorrow - what did you make of it?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Leon is great. Natalie Portman makes you feel like a Beast and gary oldman, well he does gary oldman. Some excellent gunplay scenes as well.
Reno
The In Kraut
I'll have to have a think about that one a bit more because I only just finished watching it. I wasn't that shocked by it, probably because it has been hyped up as the most shocking thing ever and I have seen a lot of extreme cinema. I really braced myself and then it wasn't quite as bad as imagined it would be. I've seen more mainstream films that I've been more offended by (Fatal Attraction, Looking for Mr Goodbar, Dancer in the Dark) because I found what they had to say more offensive. Politically this film doesn't say anything I find offensive and in the end it's just a movie with special effects. It quite obviously is made as a provocation and I never took it seriously, because. I never felt that engaged by the characters. There is one moment involving an extreme eye injury (and then some) that did actually make me laugh in its gross out outrageousness, but then I've seen a lot extreme cinema.
I would really like to know more about what is behind it. It's clearly meant as a satire and there are moments that are incredibly gross in conception if still fairly conventional in execution. It's never more explicit than a Hostel film, it's just that it keeps breaking a few last taboos that push buttons. I've read reports about war crimes during the Bosnian war some of this reminded me of and I wonder he is sharing some of the horror of that. Then you have to go, well compared to the real thing, enduring this film is nothing.
That said, I can see that this would make many people short circuit. There is quite a bit of simulated kiddie sex in it and it's just a taboo that many people won't ever want to confront. As soon as you are exposed to this type of imagery, there is already the lingering accusation that it's something you want to see and are turned on by. I'm quite secure in the knowledge that fucking children doesn't do anything for me, so I took the simulated sex with children as the ultimate provocation and regarded it as what it was supposed to be, the dead baby joke to end them all. It's like a Chapman Brothers sculpture on celluloid
I'm pretty sure that just watching the film and especially saying anything in defence of it will put you on the naughty step for many people, but I don't actually regret having seen it as I feared I would.
la ressistance
aesthete
i watched it today and didnt like it at all.turned it off halfway through.
Reno
The In Kraut
That's fair enough and I think it may be a sensible response for most people.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
thanks, maybe i should wait til i have returned from my holiday in croatia to view this film.
Johnny Canuck3
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Then why were you able to finish it?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Googling it, I realize that I've seen this movie, although it was called 'The Professional'. You know, I can't recall there being child sex scenes in it - maybe they were cut out or something. Or maybe it just didn't stick in my memory.
My recollection was that it was a pretty good film.
My recollection was that it was a pretty good film.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
curiosity perhaps?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
are you sure it's the same film?
eta: you're confused. reno is talking about 'a serbian film'. you are talking about 'leon'. read.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
The one I saw is directed by Luc Besson, starring Jean Reno.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Léon_(film)
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
read
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Oh, I thought he was describing 'Leon' to be 'a Serbian film', for some reason. Most of the posts beforehand seemed to be about Leon.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Serbian_Film
Give me a fucking break.
I'll have to go back and reread the posts trying to intellectualize the voyeurism necessary to watch such trash.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
<a big sigh>
la ressistance
aesthete
i agree.i watched it build and build,then it got the baby scene and i thought,fuck this ive had enough.
at no point is it actually hard to watch,like the rape in irreversible,but the whole thing is uncomfortable with no redeeming features.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Any morals dissimilar from your own are not automatically 'tabloid-style' morals.
What moral structure is it that allows one to obtain either pleasure or enlightenment from a movie such as the one described in the wikipedia entry? The mere fact that someone was able to think up the plot line and then convince someone to fund the project, doesn't confer automatic credibility on the product.
Reno
The In Kraut
You still are a silly twit Canuck and you always will be. I'm off to bed....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
It's good. You and your confreres of the heightened and sharply-honed, advanced morality, will be secure in your pastime of looking down your noses at the silly twits who can imagine no good reason for watching a movie thrown together around the core image/idea of an adult man raping a newborn baby.
Have a good night.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
On a plane. I wouldn't have bothered looking otherwise but it was really kind of ok.
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