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We are going to kill you, not really, Yes we are, No we're not .. (Troy Davis)

Sasaferrato said:
Fair enough. As I said, not having seen all the evidence, there is no way that I could venture an opinion on guilt or innocence.If the highlighted text is correct, then it is indeed strange that the judiciary haven't found that a retrial is necessary.

We all have our own opinion on capital punishment, some agree some don't. Each view is perfectly valid. I must say though, the were I to sit on a jury where a guilty verdict would mean the death penalty, the evidence would have to be absolutely compelling. The slightest hint of doubt and you would have to vote for not guilty. I do recognise the finality of death; a posthumous pardon is no good for the person who has been executed, but I do feel that there certain crimes which deserve the death penalty.

Quite a disturbing case.
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That's the point most folk are making here though. There is too much doubt and not enough compelling evidence mate. In fact there isn't any compelling evidence.
 
Modded quote to show what I think

Pseudo-ferrato said:
There was a trial. He was found guilty. There has then been a period of 22 years during which new evidence has come to light and the soundness of the conviction questioned leading to multiple appeals, all of which had grounds to be granted.

I do not subscribe to the view that the final appeal board would have refused to commute the sentence on a whim, nor that they would let the man die simply because they could bring about his death.

What I do subscribe to is that there has been a lengthy appeal process, during which evidence has been heard, and judgement has been delivered not only on that basis but preconceptions regarding the case.

Unless someone on the boards has been in court for every hearing, they cannot state with certainty whether the man is guilty or not.

I too feel that many of the comments above are more concerned with their approval of the death penalty, whilst denying the failings of the US legal system. You may not like it, but the system laid down by a democratic sovereign state has led to innocent people being killed.

Not having seen the evidence in full, just like everyone else here, I don't know whether the man is guilty or not.
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_angel_ said:
Aside from the wrongs/ rights about the death penalty. People can't really argue it's "cheaper than jailing them" when you have 22 years of jails and numerous and lengthy appeals process.
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I have never subscribed to the view that it is cheaper to execute than imprison. Such a view is inhuman. On that basis, every disabled baby would be smothered at birth.
 
friedaweed said:
That's the point most folk are making here though. There is too much doubt and not enough compelling evidence mate. In fact there isn't any compelling evidence.
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Unless the entire judiciary is rotten to the core, which does not seem likely, it is difficult to know what to make of this. I can appreciate that the police want vengeance for the murder of one of their own, but surely the withdrawn and changed evidence ( which to be honest, does not inspire confidence in the total veracity of the witnesses ) makes a retrial mandatory. The unansweered question is, why has their not been a retrial? Without access to the transcripts of all the hearings, it is something you will never know.

It is certainly dubious premise on which to execute someone, if they do execute him. I suspect that the very high profile appeals from people like the Pope etc are going to do more harm than good. The Americans don't take kindly to being told what to do within their own jurisdiction ( or anyone else's come to that ).
 
scifisam said:
You can when the penalty is death. Not clear-cut = don't give them the death penalty.
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That is kind of the point I was making. If someone is definately guilty of mass murder for example and there was absolutely no doubt about their guilt, then for that one criminal the death penalty might be suitable. But such certainty is rare.
 
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
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How many times have you tried this exact same argument? Have you ever listened to any of the answers?
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
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It's like you've never read any pro-choice argument ever :facepalm:
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
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No. It would be for you perhaps, but no.

Go away. Start another thread. This one is about Troy Davis.
 
Sasaferrato said:
Unless the entire judiciary is rotten to the core, which does not seem likely, it is difficult to know what to make of this. I can appreciate that the police want vengeance for the murder of one of their own, but surely the withdrawn and changed evidence ( which to be honest, does not inspire confidence in the total veracity of the witnesses ) makes a retrial mandatory. The unansweered question is, why has their not been a retrial?
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Unanswered question, my fucking arse.
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
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Or, I wonder how many who are 'pro-life' defend the right of the state to execute people?!

In reality however it is an entirely different issue.
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

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Cognitive dissonance?
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See that foetus? It's going 'Oh you tosser.'
 
Sasaferrato said:
On a wee bit of a tangent:

I wonder how many on here that oppose the death penalty are in favour of abortion on demand? Is it only dreadful to execute a human being if you can see them? Remember, current law permits the abortion of children, who if born at 24 weeks can go on and live a full life.

images


Cognitive dissonance?
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Can, but more likely to die. Or have severe disabilities. But don't let the facts get in the way of argument
 
fogbat said:
It's like you've never read any pro-choice argument ever :facepalm:
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I am on record on here, on many occasions. My view is perfectly clear. I do not support abortion, other than in limited circumstances, but, I am not so arrogant as to feel that I have the right to impose my view on anyone else. It is the choice of the individual, and that I support completely.

Now, please explain why it is OK to abort a viable human being, whose only crime is to be an inconvenience, yet wrong to execute someone who richly deserves it?
 
Sasaferrato said:
I am on record on here, on many occasions. My view is perfectly clear. I do not support abortion, other than in limited circumstances, but, I am not so arrogant as to feel that I have the right to impose my view on anyone else. It is the choice of the individual, and that I support completely.

Now, please explain why it is OK to abort a viable human being, whose only crime is to be an inconvenience, yet wrong to execute someone who richly deserves it?
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Start another thread.
 
It's not much of a surprise that states with the death penalty want to use it for their own twisted reasons.

The death penalty is wrong. No exceptions.
 
Troy Davis is, of course, black.

Those supporting his cause include ex-FBI Director Sessions (also a judge), the pope, Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu, Amnesty.

Constantly taking someone to be killed then taking them back again over a period of 4 years is obviously a form of torture. However it's america so there is no hope.

Sas sits and giggles as he trolls.
 
He is set to die in an hour. This guys conviction is doubtful. They may be about to execute an innocent man
 
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