Warrington Bomb Linked to Red Action - BBC News

[benedict]

Plainly Red Action today are either saying or doing something that the establishment have taken heed of for some reason . Or the establishment fear they may say or do in the near future

I thought Red Action were wound up long since or at least that they had folded into the IWCA? What are they doing or saying and where?

Also, for someone who's not in the know on this, what's the background on MacIntyre and the Irish Republican movement?

 

[Casually Red]

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ha..being called the only jihadi in the village by the one man in the village who hates them near as bad as i do..tut tut . Theres been a few times out for a pint i was glad to have you beside me, no kidding . Also think a few of the comments directed at your good self are uncalled for. Known you a long time and youve always struck me as a thoroughly decent bloke who never let a political difference ever get personal, unlike a lot of cunts in this neck of the woods . Not that wed even have many differences these days..or ever did .

 

[Casually Red]

I thought Red Action were wound up long since or at least that they had folded into the IWCA? What are they doing or saying and where?

Also, for someone who's not in the know on this, what's the background on MacIntyre and the Irish Republican movement?

when i said today i meant whatever form they take today and the message thereof

MacIntyres background on republicans is simply to denigrate and criminalise republicans in the most sensationalised manner possible . Its what he does for a living .
He even runs about the balkans impersonating them in his undercover role .

 

[bignose1]

mine must have been an elephant bomb this morning. four flushes - four!

I don't suppose someone could offer a precis of the program for those of us posting on our phones temporarily without access to a telly or broadband (which to be fair might only be me)?

Tried to photoplop the feather for floater but it didnt work.

 

[bignose1]

when i said today i meant whatever form they take today and the message thereof

MacIntyres background on republicans is simply to denigrate and criminalise republicans in the most sensationalised manner possible . Its what he does for a living .
He even runs about the balkans impersonating them in his undercover role .

Too true. He has in the past tried to winkle info out of me. And he got an enormous GTF. Even the hated Searchlight from quite a way back have given him the short shrift. He trys to use his minions but they're so sussable.

 

[benedict]

when i said today i meant whatever form they take today and the message thereof

MacIntyres background on republicans is simply to denigrate and criminalise republicans in the most sensationalised manner possible . Its what he does for a living .
He even runs about the balkans impersonating them in his undercover role .

What form do they take today though? I understood they were totally wound up since the IWCA initiative seemed to hit the buffers. I'd be genuinely pleased to hear otherwise if some of those involved are working on other political projects.

On MacIntyre, is he just plain interested in building his career through sensational nonsense like that or is there another agenda at play as well?

 

[Casually Red]

What form do they take today though? I understood they were totally wound up since the IWCA initiative seemed to hit the buffers. I'd be genuinely pleased to hear otherwise if some of those involved are working on other political projects.

On MacIntyre, is he just plain interested in building his career through sensational nonsense like that or is there another agenda at play as well?

Youd need to ask someone else, i dont even live in Britain .

on DM well

have a look at this and note for example how the boul donal is careful to always have a handy explanation for his audience as to how he knows how to do stuff...got this from a spy book..found this tip on the internet, we just happened to be near this army base, this British ambassadors res etc . Definitely nobody coaching him in adavnce or anything . Nosirreebob .

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stor...ght-15kg-of-semtex-in-europe-s-terror-capital

oh and in that Irish paper he claims he contacted UN troops . On his blog which carries the original story for a British paper he claims he contacted British police. His memory must be poor or something .

 

[DaveCinzano]

Apologies for invoking the Candyman, but this article by Steve Patterson and Larry O'Hara in Notes From The Borderland #3 on Macintyre's working methods seems appropriate to raise at this point:

http://www.borderland.co.uk/index.p...journalism-spij-watch/58-dummy-article20.html

 

[Casually Red]

Apologies for invoking the Candyman, but this article by Steve Patterson and Larry O'Hara in Notes From The Borderland #3 on Macintyre's working methods seems appropriate to raise at this point:

http://www.borderland.co.uk/index.p...journalism-spij-watch/58-dummy-article20.html

thats extremely informative . Thankyou very much .

So apart from being up to his balls as a coppers nark ..among other things..we have a proven link between MacIntyre and Searchlight . What a tangled web

I wonder if this article of MacIntyres, again returning to the constantly arising themes of anti fascist activism, Irish republicanism...particularly the dissident variety..and the activities and views of fascists themselves has any bearing on his relationship with searchlight . It would be a bit strange if he wasnt consulting them when dealing with this.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/paddy-whackery

seems very well breifed on some outfit called the North West Infidels, whoever they are . Cant say Ive ever heard much of them meself . Not being a local .

 

[DaveCinzano]

seems very well breifed on some outfit called the North West Infidels, whoever they are . Cant say Ive ever heard much of them meself . Not being a local .

The Infidels - both NWI and NEI - are offshoots of the EDL, which consist of people who split off because they felt the League was a bit too miscegenatey for their tastes (amongst other reasons, including personality clashes, "where'd the hoodie-and-masks money go, Tommy?" talk, etc).

Others who know more about these things will, I am sure, be along soon to correct any errors.

 

[Casually Red]

oh right..infidels..muslims..get it now . Tis a sad day indeed when Donal MacIntyres more clued in than me .

Tis.. to be shure to be shure.

 

[eoin_k]

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There's also the recent revelations about undercover police officers to consider. Might this be an attempt by the state to justify the necessity of undercover work in subversive organisations?

This makes sense.

 

[Casually Red]

Too true. He has in the past tried to winkle info out of me. And he got an enormous GTF. Even the hated Searchlight from quite a way back have given him the short shrift. He trys to use his minions but they're so sussable.

oh right, i thought they may have been breifing him on that liverpool thing . My mistake .

 

[FNG]

very little on the BBC website beyond a plug for the program which seems to suggest how little journalistic merit the program has amongst its peers.

 

[steeplejack]

Apologies for invoking the Candyman, but this article by Steve Patterson and Larry O'Hara in Notes From The Borderland #3 on Macintyre's working methods seems appropriate to raise at this point:

http://www.borderland.co.uk/index.p...journalism-spij-watch/58-dummy-article20.html

what an absolute demolition derby that article is

don't think I've ever seen such a complete character assassination in any other piece of journalism. hats off.

 

[Casually Red]

Just as an indication as to how low MacIntyres star has fallen in recent years the rag hes currently working for in Ireland, the sunday world, has been summarised on a blog as making the Daily Star look like the Guardian. Its truly that bad , its the definition of gutter press . And revels in that status . While hes a big fish in that scum laden pool its like a former premiership player being sent on loan to Arbroath united.
Theres little doubt hell be trying to make it back to the big leagues some day so hes worth keeping an eye out for .

 

[bignose1]

thats extremely informative . Thankyou very much .

So apart from being up to his balls as a coppers nark ..among other things..we have a proven link between MacIntyre and Searchlight . What a tangled web

I wonder if this article of MacIntyres, again returning to the constantly arising themes of anti fascist activism, Irish republicanism...particularly the dissident variety..and the activities and views of fascists themselves has any bearing on his relationship with searchlight . It would be a bit strange if he wasnt consulting them when dealing with this.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/paddy-whackery

seems very well breifed on some outfit called the North West Infidels, whoever they are . Cant say Ive ever heard much of them meself . Not being a local .

When I said Searchlight dropped McIntyre ages ago I meant about the time of that docca...they certainly wouldnt have had anything to do with him recently and that info came from someone..not GG...who I am still friendly at S/light. With McIntyre and his methods of putting people at risk,ie sources, researchers, contacts.....it was pissing more than S/light off.

In that paragraph on Searchlight in L.O'Hs article he says I was at the 99 replay against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge talking and laughing with the police before the game. ( and implying what)?This is a lie and I challenged him and got some sort of half hearted apology. I had not been working with GG for at least 5 years prior to 99 on any level apart from one or two cursory phone calls usually regards some historical stuff. I certainly wasn't their 'man' at that time(99). This poorly researched accusatory bollox is exactly what the creeps from NWN and Shitefront/VNN revel in and its no wonder it fucks people off.

 

[malatesta32]

I thought Red Action were wound up long since or at least that they had folded into the IWCA? What are they doing or saying and where?

Also, for someone who's not in the know on this, what's the background on MacIntyre and the Irish Republican movement?

i had a threat from a fash once offering a bundle and he said 'so where are red action and AFA then?' - my guess was the pub.

 

[framed]

In that paragraph on Searchlight in L.O'Hs article he says I was at the 99 replay against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge...

When I read that I thought, 'Well, why wouldn't he be at that match, he's a mad United fan...' It's not a crime to attend a match at Stamford Bridge, the bit about laughing and sharing jokes with the cops I took with a pinch of salt. It was a silly point and actually detracted from the rest of the article.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

When I read that I thought, 'Well, why wouldn't he be at that match, he's a mad United fan...' It's not a crime to attend a match at Stamford Bridge, the bit about laughing and sharing jokes with the cops I took with a pinch of salt. It was a silly point and actually detracted from the rest of the article.

something was up if the plod were laughing at bignoses's puns

 

[bignose1]

When I read that I thought, 'Well, why wouldn't he be at that match, he's a mad United fan...' It's not a crime to attend a match at Stamford Bridge, the bit about laughing and sharing jokes with the cops I took with a pinch of salt. It was a silly point and actually detracted from the rest of the article.

If it was at the March replay then I was at the game with my 12 year old son. We won 2-0 and had a great time. If it was the 5-0 hiding we got Oct 99 then I wasnt at the match, thankfully. Your right framed Its a silly point but what was he was trying to insinuate. Mischief making. A total irrelevance. I have in the past talked to cops at footy after being stopped. Total irrelevance. Sloppy.

 

[bignose1]

something was up if the plod were laughing at bignoses's puns

I think I told them 'What did the cops say to the 'its a knockout' presenter when they went to nick him.................
.............''Evening Hall''

 

[Paul Marsh]

If it was at the March replay then I was at the game with my 12 year old son. We won 2-0 and had a great time. If it was the 5-0 hiding we got Oct 99 then I wasnt at the match, thankfully. Your right framed Its a silly point but what was he was trying to insinuate. Mischief making. A total irrelevance. I have in the past talked to cops at footy after being stopped. Total irrelevance. Sloppy.

'Bignose': The information in the article came from me. I was at the match, and before the game stood outside the away end enjoying the atmosphere. I watched you standing and chatting for several minutes with uniformed cops. Everyone was laughing and joking, you certainly had not been 'stopped' in any way.

If people want to stop and talk to the police, that is their business.

But given the history of Searchlight's working relationship with the cops, and your relationship with Searchlight, at the time I thought it correct to raise what I had seen. Guarding against Searchlight, and its chuminess with the state, mattered in the anti-fascist movement in those years.

Neither Notes from the Borderland, Larry O'Hara or myself have ever been 'challenged' by 'Bignose' on this issue, nor has any apology, whether half-hearted or not, been given.

Dwight Yorke played well that day.

 

[framed]

'Bignose': The information in the article came from me. I was at the match, and before the game stood outside the away end enjoying the atmosphere. I watched you standing and chatting for several minutes with uniformed cops. Everyone was laughing and joking, you certainly had not been 'stopped' in any way.

If people want to stop and talk to the police, that is their business.

But given the history of Searchlight's working relationship with the cops, and your relationship with Searchlight, at the time I thought it correct to raise what I had seen. Guarding against Searchlight, and its chuminess with the state, mattered in the anti-fascist movement in those years.

Neither Notes from the Borderland, Larry O'Hara or myself have ever been 'challenged' by 'Bignose' on this issue, nor has any apology, whether half-hearted or not, been given.

Dwight Yorke played well that day.

To cite a chance sighting at a football match as evidence of Searchlight's collaboration with the police is pretty flimsy. There appears to be more hard evidence available of the relationship between Searchlight and the state. This type of circumstantial fluff contributes nothing. It's gossip not evidence.

 

[Paul Marsh]

To cite a chance sighting at a football match as evidence of Searchlight's collaboration with the police is pretty flimsy. There appears to be more hard evidence available of the relationship between Searchlight and the state. This type of circumstantial fluff contributes nothing. It's gossip not evidence.

I was not using the sighting as evidence of Searchlight's collaboration with the police - that was already incontrovertible.

It was put forward, if I recall conversations at the time correctly, because it was seen as indicative of attitudes within Searchlight towards the police when they thought critical eyes were absent.

 

[bignose1]

'Bignose': The information in the article came from me. I was at the match, and before the game stood outside the away end enjoying the atmosphere. I watched you standing and chatting for several minutes with uniformed cops. Everyone was laughing and joking, you certainly had not been 'stopped' in any way.

If people want to stop and talk to the police, that is their business.

But given the history of Searchlight's working relationship with the cops, and your relationship with Searchlight, at the time I thought it correct to raise what I had seen. Guarding against Searchlight, and its chuminess with the state, mattered in the anti-fascist movement in those years.

Neither Notes from the Borderland, Larry O'Hara or myself have ever been 'challenged' by 'Bignose' on this issue, nor has any apology, whether half-hearted or not, been given.

Dwight Yorke played well that day.

Wasnt me. It might have been Tony O'Neil....we look very similar...he is more likely to have the banter. Anyway a total irrelevance and mischief making. Even if it was me its just not fucking news.... Now if you saw me brush contact with a cop and get handed a brown envelope thats a different matter. So to educate you....my relationship with Searchlight at the time(99) was....wait for it......................zilch....maybe slighly above zilch meaning I might have got an odd email. But it was 5 years since I left the Searchlight orbit.

Larry O'Hara and myself corresponded by PM over this and he did 'apologise'. I will try and dig out the message if its still there.

Is it the same Paul Marsh who had plenty to say on the Dave Hann stuff 10 years back...but thats for another day?

Right ...just had a look...Im wrong in that he apologised for something else. My mistake. I took it up with him after he called me an ex fascist and he said he would post a retraction.

So he got that very wrong....mistaken identity or mischief making. But it was at the same time as the silly football thing got brought up.

 

[bignose1]

I was not using the sighting as evidence of Searchlight's collaboration with the police - that was already incontrovertible.

It was put forward, if I recall conversations at the time correctly, because it was seen as indicative of attitudes within Searchlight towards the police when they thought critical eyes were absent.

Actually what you wrote above is absolute shit stirring shite and you need to fucking get a grip mate.

 

[TopCat]

Actually what you wrote above is absolute shit stirring shite and you need to fucking get a grip mate.

I haver never known Paul to lie. You responded that it wasn't you, then it may have been. Your all over the place.

 

[bignose1]

I haver never known Paul to lie. You responded that it wasn't you, then it may have been. Your all over the place.

You mean you are mate. Its fucking mischief making.

 

[framed]

I was not using the sighting as evidence of Searchlight's collaboration with the police - that was already incontrovertible.

It was put forward, if I recall conversations at the time correctly, because it was seen as indicative of attitudes within Searchlight towards the police when they thought critical eyes were absent.

Again, this is flimsy, Paul.

No-one is accusing you of lying about what you saw at a football match, but to extrapolate from it that this sighting somehow symbolises Searchlight's relationship with the police and state is just plain fcuking daft imho. It's a diversion from the very real skullduggery that Searchlight has engaged in and it needlessly personalises the issue.

There are ample examples on the BTF thread of Searchlight's inconsistencies, some of them allegedly involving BigNose, others not.

What does your sighting of him at a football match add to the pot?

As for putting 2+2 together and making 5 out of it; Larry O'Hara's first book on MI5 conspiracies against the left (see Turning Up The Heat page 40, point 4) had me and others in Glasgow AFA logged as intolerant republicans and violent anarchist bashers (ironically, a position not dissimilar to Searchlight's appraisal of Glasgow AFA). Unfortunately Larry only appears to have properly investigated this matter after the book was published when he made contact with Red Action to raise security concerns about me, only to find out that those whom he should really have been investigating were the very people supplying the slander.

Here's a brief summary of what actually happened in Glasgow AFA that I submitted on another thread:

The issue in Glasgow that led to some (but not all) anarchists attempting to break away and form an 'anarchist only' branch of AFA, which they laughingly called 'South Central AFA' (it was in the wake of the LA Riots) was preceded by a serious security issue around one of the leading members of DAM in Glasgow. We requested a full debrief of this individual. He refused to attend any meetings of the Stewards Group or the AFA branch meetings where his actions and failure to inform his AFA comrades of a meeting he had attended (voluntarily) at the request of officers from Lothian and Borders Constabulary could be properly discussed and assessed for potential damage.

Although the matter was not directly AFA-related, it did involve a number of arrests on suspicion of ALF activities of some of the anarchist comrades involved in Edinburgh AFA. They had a local debrief and some of them sensibly offered/agreed to 'stand down' from AFA activities for a while in order to protect the organisation from police scrutiny and political linkage. I should stress that all Red Action ever requested of the individual in Glasgow AFA was a similar type of debriefing meeting, we simply felt that he had made an error of judgment in agreeing to meet the police without legal representation and felt that there might be a case for him to step back from AFA temporarily given that there appeared to be an ongoing police operation targeting individuals under suspicion for ALF activities. There was no suspicion with regard to his integrity until he refused point blank to be held accountable for his actions and subsequently tried to organise a split in the branch along ideological lines.