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I'm saying they appear to be deducing the possibility that RA were behind Warrington, from the involvement of one of them in an unrelated bombing. And little else.
 
I'm saying that their logic is "they did it that time so it's possible they did Warrington". There doesn't appear to be much more to it than that.
 
articul8 said:
I'm saying that their logic is "they did it that time so it's possible they did Warrington". There doesn't appear to be much more to it than that.
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But what did you mean 'it's possible'? It' a straightforward non trick question. You types the words. What did you mean? Did you mean that you agree that it's possible the state did it? With el-ah's throwaway comment?

And why are you talking about the prog that you haven't seen? Why are you outlining the logic it takes?
 
I was talking about the basis on which the state was inferring "it's possible" that RA did Warrington. I don't think (though couldn't categorically rule out) the state was actually responsible for doing it. But it's entirely possible they chose not to act on warnings when they could have done so.
 
articul8 said:
I was talking about the basis on which the state was inferring "it's possible" that RA did Warrington. I don't think (though couldn't categorically rule out) the state was actually responsible for doing it. But it's entirely possible they chose not to act on warnings when they could have done so.
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ffs when you said

Doesn't sound like there's much of a basis other than one did Harrods so it's possible
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what did you mean? Were you replying to el-ahs post? Were you talking about the logic of the programs argument? If so, where did you see that logic and argument?
 
It looks like an attempt to find RA 'guilty by association'.

Without strong evidence and credible sources to back up the claim, it will simply amount to a bad-jacketing exercise.
 
framed said:
It looks like an attempt to find RA 'guilty by association'.

Without strong evidence and credible sources to back up the claim, it will simply amount to a bad-jacketing exercise.
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Most likely but why now? The possible rise of 'street fascism' and as a result the possible rise of physical force anti-fascism coming back and as such ability to poison the well against the latter? Seems strange timing? It's not even the anniversary, which was February, so why the 'need' to do it now? Has something happened?
 
Fedayn said:
Most likely but why now? The possible rise of 'street fascism' and as a result the possible rise of physical force anti-fascism coming back and as such ability to poison the well against the latter? Seems strange timing? It's not even the anniversary, which was February, so why the 'need' to do it now? Has something happened?
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This has not come out of the blue. There's been an ongoing operation for some years now to play RA into the Warrington scenario.

It may be convenient for various parties to hang the blame for Warrington on a 'rogue' oufit. Red Action appears to be the chosen 'patsy'.

There's also the recent revelations about undercover police officers to consider. Might this be an attempt by the state to justify the necessity of undercover work in subversive organisations?
 
articul8 said:
I was talking about the basis on which the state was inferring "it's possible" that RA did Warrington. I don't think (though couldn't categorically rule out) the state was actually responsible for doing it. But it's entirely possible they chose not to act on warnings when they could have done so.
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:confused: Are you jazz?
What possible reason would the uk government have for bombing its own town?
As an excuse for cracking down on the PIRA?
They didn't need one. Can't think of anything that would have been effective that they weren't doing already. Or people were dead against.
 
framed said:
This has not come out of the blue. There's been an ongoing operation for some years now to play RA into the Warrington scenario.

It may be convenient for various parties to hang the blame for Warrington on a 'rogue' oufit. Red Action appears to be the chosen 'patsy'.

There's also the recent revelations about undercover police officers to consider. Might this be an attempt by the state to justify the necessity of undercover work in subversive organisations?
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Must admit i've not clocked the top para, the last para however does make for a sensible reading of it. So much of the press re recent undercover revelations have been bad, this might be a little reminder of what happens if the security services aren't well resourced, a 'look what could happen' scenario, trying to make the point of how important such operations are without being seen as condoning the actions of a number of undercovers.
 
Seems weird to pop up now.

Hopefully the "Why?" will reveal it's self.

I don't think this will do any damage to the current anti-fascist movement though.The far right will have a field day but so what.

I'm awaiting Nick Griffins tweet.
 
dylanredefined said:
:confused: Are you jazz?
What possible reason would the uk government have for bombing its own town?
As an excuse for cracking down on the PIRA?
They didn't need one. Can't think of anything that would have been effective that they weren't doing already. Or people were dead against.
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I didn't say it was likely, I said I couldn't categorically rule it out. Given the extent of state complicity in aiding and abetting the killing of civilians via loyalist terror gangs they are not above it.
 
articul8 said:
I didn't say it was likely, I said I couldn't categorically rule it out. Given the extent of state complicity in aiding and abetting the killing of civilians via loyalist terror gangs they are not above it.
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The IRA admitted responsibility for it. In terms of the deaths, they blamed the police for not taking heed of the warning.
 
no surprise that certain characters who were behind (or connected to) the various attempts to stop the publication of BTF have had a hand in this documentary
 
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From the above mentioned book and reading the lengthly threads etc I always had the impression RA were interested in driving far right orgs off the streets, not blowing thing up
 
love detective said:
no surprise that certain characters who were behind (or connected to) the various attempts to stop the publication of BTF have had a hand in this documentary
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a large - and clumsy - hand.

We've been waiting for this for mebbe two years now - even before Donal McIntyre's fairy tale. It will be interesting to watch the ripple out
 
LiamO said:
For what purpose? Best to see how this pans out and connect the dots... rather than jump in and allow the obfuscation and moke n mirrors begin at this stage.
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I hear you. :)
On a slightly separate note. Is this on I player tonight?
 
how do you get it if you live in a different ITV region?

Can you select different ITV regions on SKY?
 
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