VAT on Private Schools Kicks In

[Dystopiary]

Not a lot, exactly. one thinks he is free, the other is beholden.

Does (s)he?

 

[RevolutionSound]

You have freedom from poverty if you just choose it. You need to increase your human capital by deciding the most marketable paths.

That's not freedom from though is it. That's freedom to.

 

[kabbes]

That's not freedom from though is it. That's freedom to.

It’s not my philosophy, so I’m not interested in defending it. But yes, that’s the neoliberal view of it.

 

[kabbes]

I was interested enough to download it, but I only get a blank front page. Does it work for anyone else?

Now I’m back home, I’ve gone back and uploaded it again. Not sure what went wrong before, but it should work now.

 

[editor]

People, who don’t even have children of their own, might feel better that private school parents are paying more.

What a bizarre comment. Care to make some sort of sense of it?

 

[editor]

Regarding complaining about the extra fees, I’m not, and the parents I know aren’t either. It’s been baked in to everybodies thinking for a while now as everybody knew Labour would get into government and this would be an easy populist thing to do in their first budget.

It's not just a 'populist' thing. It's the right thing to do.

 

[Silas Loom]

Now I’m back home, I’ve gone back and uploaded it again. Not sure what went wrong before, but it should work now.

It does, but I can’t follow it. Not steeped enough in this particular lore to tell the difference between background contextualisation and the points of contention the author delineates.

I’m just going to keep on asserting that neither human consciousness nor capitalism have changed enough in the last fifty years to merit a new term that gets applied to everything of which the speaker disapproves.

 

[kabbes]

I’m just going to keep on asserting that neither human consciousness nor capitalism have changed enough in the last fifty years to merit a new term that gets applied to everything of which the speaker disapproves.

I strenuously disagree, and so does an entire literature

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Love the shift away from toff VAT

Only so much to say about that when we basically all agree. Need to search for something to disagree on.

 

[Gramsci]

Good post this. I have chosen private for reasons already stated. I have issues ethically of course because it is a leg up like you say and an advantage.

Education is something I care deeply about. I had hoped to discuss how the system could realistically be improved and I couldn’t have that conversation without being honest. People don’t seem to want that conversation which is fair enough.

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To say that posters here don't want that conversation is just being dismissive.

If I get you right your saying abolishing private education is what happens in a communist dictatorship. But also any milder reforms of it as this Labour government are doing won't make any difference.

This does come across as typical centre right view . Radical change is dictatorship and reforms don't really make a difference. So let things stay as they are and deflect criticism onto state provided services. Let all reasonable people have discussions not on private education but how to make state sector work better. At same time rule out radical changes as not part of any discussion.

It's how politics in this country gets narrowed down to narrow set of choices.

That the only way to get rid of private schools is to make public education so much better that parents would choose that instead.

It's as though the only reason in this country private education existed is due to short comings of state education.

It's not it's a lot more than that as other posters have pointed out.

Given that :

I'm not that into having a go at peoples individual choices

Nor do I think it helps calling people scabs and such like.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

 

[edcraw]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive.

Are you after a column in the Telegraph or something?

 

[chilango]

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To say that posters here don't want that conversation is just being dismissive.

If I get you right your saying abolishing private education is what happens in a communist dictatorship. But also any milder reforms of it as this Labour government are doing won't make any difference.

This does come across as typical centre right view . Radical change is dictatorship and reforms don't really make a difference. So let things stay as they are and deflect criticism onto state provided services. Let all reasonable people have discussions not on private education but how to make state sector work better. At same time rule out radical changes as not part of any discussion.

It's how politics in this country gets narrowed down to narrow set of choices.

That the only way to get rid of private schools is to make public education so much better that parents would choose that instead.

It's as though the only reason in this country private education existed is due to short comings of state education.

It's not it's a lot more than that as other posters have pointed out.

Given that :

I'm not that into having a go at peoples individual choices

Nor do I think it helps calling people scabs and such like.

Also worth noting that some us regularly have discussions on here about how to improve schools. Some of us are even doing that irl.

 

[Gramsci]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

The acidic bitter politics of envy

 

[RevolutionSound]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Is this some sort of satire account?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Is this part of your New Year resolution list? To be more Tory than last year?

 

[chilango]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Utter tosh.

No major political party is (or has ever) "doing their best to destroy public schools".

Even when opportunities have arisen in the past to do so, they opted to leave them be.

 

[The39thStep]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

I don’t know what school you went to or when it was destroyed but unless Grammas is a Scottish term , and if it is I would like to apologise , I think you’ll find that the correct spelling is Grammar (schools) not Grammas.
I went to a secondary modern then comprehensive btw.

 

[redsquirrel]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Well here's one positive at least - mad loons frothing shite

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Thread was petering out in lukewarm agreement. Noble Sir Sas has ridden in to save the day!

 

[JimW]

Still have grammar schools in Stroud, not much of a killing.

 

[BigMoaner]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Three extra pages, but no bannings and no C bombs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Still have grammar schools in Stroud, not much of a killing.

Do they have any grammas schools though?

 

[Sasaferrato]

I don’t know what school you went to or when it was destroyed but unless Grammas is a Scottish term , and if it is I would like to apologise , I think you’ll find that the correct spelling is Grammar (schools) not Grammas.
I went to a secondary modern then comprehensive btw.

Tis a typo, which I suspect you already knew.

 

[The39thStep]

Tis a typo, which I suspect you already knew.

Of course I did , that's what a comprehensive school education is all about .

 

[PTK]

All the evidence shows that comprehensive schools produce better outcomes than selective state schools.

 

[Gramsci]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

It was under Crosland that the Direct Grant (which I got to to attend local public school) was ended. Which meant ( as I've posted here about) that the girls public school in my town Plymouth which relied on it had to join the state sector in the reorganisation of education by the Labour government of the time. The public school I got into on Direct Grant didn't as it had made sure only a very small minority like me got places there.

Crosland got a lot of stick from the right for what he was doing put persevered. . I do have some sympathy for a Labour government. Any reforms it tries are going to be met with attitudes like yours.

My criticism of the Labour party of the that period was that there was a window of opportunity to go the whole way and abolish the public school system. Given the changes in society at the time.

Removing Direct Grant was correct move by Labour as they knew some public schools would go under and have to join the state sector.

In some ways people like Crosland come across as hard left now.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Labour truly can be described as vermin when it comes to education.

Crossland (privately educated) destroyed the Grammas Schools.

Blair (privately educated) shut down the Assisted Places Scheme.

Reeves is doing her best to destroy public schools.

The acidic bitter politics of envy, if I can't have it no one should have it.

The venal lying scum that is Rachel from accounts has damaged the economy so badly that it may not survive,

Don't be silly Sas.

 

[Mr Retro]

.

To say that posters here don't want that conversation is just being dismissive.

If I get you right your saying abolishing private education is what happens in a communist dictatorship. But also any milder reforms of it as this Labour government are doing won't make any difference.

This does come across as typical centre right view . Radical change is dictatorship and reforms don't really make a difference. So let things stay as they are and deflect criticism onto state provided services. Let all reasonable people have discussions not on private education but how to make state sector work better. At same time rule out radical changes as not part of any discussion.

It's how politics in this country gets narrowed down to narrow set of choices.

That the only way to get rid of private schools is to make public education so much better that parents would choose that instead.

It's as though the only reason in this country private education existed is due to short comings of state education.

It's not it's a lot more than that as other posters have pointed out.

Given that :

I'm not that into having a go at peoples individual choices

Nor do I think it helps calling people scabs and such like.

I’m saying that putting VAT on private schools per se will not make any difference and will not improve anything from pastoral care to results and anything in between.

Labours plan for schools on their website sets the bar so low it’s a depressing read. Most of it isn’t even measurable so hard to even hold what they say up to any scrutiny.

 

[chilango]

All the evidence shows that comprehensive schools produce better outcomes than selective state schools.

Depends what you mean by 'outcomes'.

If by outcomes you mean positions in the elite, wealth and status....well, clearly not.