WouldBe
Dislicksick
And if you can already do it over USB C then what's the problem?
USB-C will be mandatory on all phones sold in the EU by end of 2024
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souljacker
innit
Video output is less capable over USB-C to thunderbolt as an example.
My point is you can't tell everyone to use one type of cable because stuff moves on and a new more capable cable may come along that can provide better features. It's a bit like saying everyone should use CAT5e cables for networking so we don't chuck all the old ones away. But then along comes 10Gb ethernet and we can't upgrade because the EU told us not to. It's a good idea from an environmental point of view but it does 'stifle innovation' sadly.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
What about Bluetooth? Or the WiFi capability of mobile phones? If you're wanting higher data capacity or speed that's probably the better way to go rather than trying to stick it down a cable. So using a USB C cable to charge the phone up you're not stifling innovation at all.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I think it's actually a bad idea from an environmental POV. Currently phones use either USB-C or lightning cables. This legislation guarantees that million of lightning cables will be trashed before the end of their useful life. Sure this might have happened anyway as Apple was expected to move phones to USB-C at some point despite this legislation, but this just guarantees it.
What are the benefits? It's not like there are dozens of types of phone power cable in use at the moment? What waste will this prevent exactly?
What annoys me when it comes to European power cables are all the appliances I've received in the UK with a Euro 2-pin power lead which has gone straight in the bin. They should have acted to stop that nonsense a long time ago.
What are the benefits? It's not like there are dozens of types of phone power cable in use at the moment? What waste will this prevent exactly?
What annoys me when it comes to European power cables are all the appliances I've received in the UK with a Euro 2-pin power lead which has gone straight in the bin. They should have acted to stop that nonsense a long time ago.
souljacker
innit
We are a long way from getting pro quality video and audio from bluetooth or WiFi I'm afraid (unless you are using some other fancy protocols, which most phones don't support).
WouldBe
Dislicksick
In my experience you have an option of an EU or UK variant which comes with the relevant plug. If you've ordered the wrong variant that's not the EU's fault.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Why would you want to be doing pro audiovisual work on a mobile device?
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hiraethified
Surely you'd use a high-spec desktop/laptop for such high end work, and the EU is making no restrictions as to what other ports those devices may have.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
In my experience you have an option of an EU or UK variant which comes with the relevant plug. If you've ordered the wrong variant that's not the EU's fault.
No, they often put both in because it's cheaper than having two variants.
souljacker
innit
People do on iPads. I wouldn't, but people do. Also, what people do in pro settings today are home applications tomorrow.Why would you want to be doing pro audiovisual work on a mobile device?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
By which time technology will have advanced.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Can confirm. Have ended up with boxes and boxes of the wrong power lead/unnecessary cables from large AV installs. Literally a room full.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Likewise.
souljacker
innit
But the cable won't!
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hiraethified
I must have missed the bit where the EU legislation says that all chargers must be USB-C and absolutely nothing can ever change from then on forever. Mind you, I'm still struggling to find out all these terrible shortcomings I'm supposedly suffering from having one charger that can charge all my devices when I go away.
As for boxes of chargers, I've got fucking shitloads of ones for various devices, just about all of which could have used the USB-C standard had it been introduced.
souljacker
innit
But it will be up to the EU to say yes when the tech companies want to change it.
Governments are not the people to control technology. It never works.
strung out
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I'm just glad that I'll be able to charge my iPad and iPhone with the same cable at last.
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hiraethified
You'd rather it be done by private companies? Jeez.
souljacker
innit
No, it should be done by industry bodies, like the IEEE.
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hiraethified
They don't appear to have done too well on lowering waste by introducing one standardised charger for portable gadgets over the past two decades though, do they?
souljacker
innit
Eh? It's not their job.
They've done a brilliant job with standardisation of wireless and wired ethernet protocols though.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
If you can get 4k TV over the internet why can't you get it over wi-fi? So why would you need a cable for pro video work if software or a hardware tweak could allow you to do it over wi-fi instead and just use the USB C cable for charging.
You can still have innovation even if the socket is fixed as USB C.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
The 4k netflix stream you watch over Wi Fi is different to unprocessed footage by a magnitude. Whilst modern WiFi can be very fast, where it still falls down is in higher density environments.
I think USB C is great, but legislation to impose it is some years to late. It's only really that and lightening left anyway.
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
…and the micro USB on your kindle and camera
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
I believe the latest Kindle has C. Even a scanner I bought recently has it. There will be some devices not yet updated, but that would happen organically anyway.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Raw 4K video from pro cinema cameras can be over 10 gigabytes per minute.
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hiraethified
Good article here:
theconversation.com
And here's the benefits:
New USB-C charger rule shows how EU regulators make decisions for the world
EU rules often have significant effects beyond its borders. The new USB-C charging standard is a great example.
theconversation.com
And here's the benefits:
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Latest WiFi (802.11ax) handles 2.4 Gbps max which works out at 18 gigabytes per minute so not a problem.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
In absolutely perfect conditions. Now try attaching multiple devices to the same access point and seeing how you get on.
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