Undercover policing enquiry

[DaveCinzano]

The list is drawn from the limited disclosures to Mitting regarding some of the police infiltrators (73 out of a number at least double that), plus more detailed data developed on a smaller number of activist-exposed spycops (including some of those 73).

It doesn't include information on groups targeted by suspected-but-not-confirmed spycops, or groups targeted by confirmed (or suspected) spycops in subsequent post-SDS/NPOIU careers where there is more than a hint of overhang (e.g. Bob Lambert's 'academic' years, during which he inveigled himself alongside at least 43 organisations).

Given what is known about how much ducking and diving between different networks, groups and individuals the most studied spycops got up to (e.g. Lambert, Kennedy, Dines, Bark, Jacobs, Watson, Jenner) I would not be surprised if the final tally topped out at considerably more than a thousand.

 

[Chilli.s]

The thing with this is where is the line between sensible policing of society and a state without legal control of its police.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The thing with this is where is the line between sensible policing of society and a state without legal control of its police.

This isn't a state failing to control its police. This is the police acting as the state always intended them to.

The police have to have some level of impunity in order to be an effective deterrent against those who might challenge the state. Same as police use dogs whose training does not extend to gathering evidence of wrongdoing and submitting it to the CPS before biting people.

 

[teqniq]

And the police are only too happy to oblige.

 

[SpookyFrank]

And the police are only too happy to oblige.

Steady now, remember how many would-be undercover cops blew the whistle on the profoundly sick policy of encouraging intimate relationships with targets?

Oh shit it was none wasn't it.

And that Peter Francis can fucking do one as well. Next time try developing a conscience before people find out for themselves what you're up to.

 

[DaveCinzano]

And that Peter Francis can fucking do one as well. Next time try developing a conscience before people find out for themselves what you're up to.

Francis wasn't exposed by activists, or anyone else - he outed himself in March 2010 (i.e. before Kennedy had been found out later that year).

 

[SpookyFrank]

Francis wasn't exposed by activists, or anyone else - he outed himself in March 2010 (i.e. before Kennedy had been found out later that year).

How many years after he'd been ordered to dig up dirt on the Lawrence family was that?

 

[DaveCinzano]

How many years after he'd been ordered to dig up dirt on the Lawrence family was that?

I'm not telling you what to think, I'm correcting an error of fact.

 

[teqniq]

Let’s be clear: spy cops are the result of political choices – and that’s a danger | Jenny Jones

 

[kenny g]

Hi everyone- thought this 15 year sentence for a man masquerading as a woman might relate to some of these cases in terms of police masquerading as "activists".

Man who tricked men into sexual activity jailed for 15 years

 

[dylanredefined]

This isn't a state failing to control its police. This is the police acting as the state always intended them to.

The police have to have some level of impunity in order to be an effective deterrent against those who might challenge the state. Same as police use dogs whose training does not extend to gathering evidence of wrongdoing and submitting it to the CPS before biting people.

They were infiltrating groups who were not exactly a dangerous challenge to the state were they? Utterly pointless.

 

[likesfish]

anarchist group might write something about the coming revolution will be a time of righteous violence but a quick look at the membership and attending a meeting or two if your really keen could write them up as not a threat check back in 12 months the effort expended on people who were in no way a threat
to anyone is ridiculous

 

[teqniq]

Police spy should face charges for sexual relationship with activist, court told

A woman who was deceived into an intimate relationship by an undercover police officer has gone to court to try to compel the state to prosecute him.

The environmental activist is one of a number of women deceived into intimate relationships by undercover officers. The Crown Prosecution Service has so far decided not to prosecute any of them...

 

[winjer]

So an ex-urbanite was outed as an undercover by the UCPI yesterday.

He posted in character, but seems to have carried on after his deployment was over, so dunno if it would be a breach of their privacy to name the account, given 'they' didn't exist. Thoughts?

 

[gawkrodger]

post it

 

[TruXta]

 

[ska invita]

So an ex-urbanite was outed as an undercover by the UCPI yesterday.

He posted in character, but seems to have carried on after his deployment was over, so dunno if it would be a breach of their privacy to name the account, given 'they' didn't exist. Thoughts?

The whole point is outing undercovers isnt it?

 

[Libertad]

So an ex-urbanite was outed as an undercover by the UCPI yesterday.

He posted in character, but seems to have carried on after his deployment was over, so dunno if it would be a breach of their privacy to name the account, given 'they' didn't exist. Thoughts?

Spill.

 

[Pickman's model]

So an ex-urbanite was outed as an undercover by the UCPI yesterday.

He posted in character, but seems to have carried on after his deployment was over, so dunno if it would be a breach of their privacy to name the account, given 'they' didn't exist. Thoughts?

share pls

 

[winjer]

The whole point is outing undercovers isnt it?

Yeah, but I don't want to get banned!

 

[Fozzie Bear]

So an ex-urbanite was outed as an undercover by the UCPI yesterday.

He posted in character, but seems to have carried on after his deployment was over, so dunno if it would be a breach of their privacy to name the account, given 'they' didn't exist. Thoughts?

I'd say post it up and let the mods worry about it. Hard to see what terrible repercussions there would be.

I assume you've let the Undercover Research Network people know?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Yeah, but I don't want to get banned!

PM a mod.

I'd assume there is a "greater good" issue here.

 

[winjer]

Have PM'd Fridgemagnet.

 

[LDC]

Only reason I can see not to post would be that's it's only just come out and they'd be a better way for some people to find out if they were close/personal friends rather than seeing it on the internet, but at this point I think post and people have to just live with finding out in a not ideal way sometimes.

 

[ska invita]

I'd urge the mods to go ahead...sock puppetry and fake accounts arent allowed, never mind police infiltration.

All we really need is the username no?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd urge the mods to go ahead...sock puppetry and fake accounts arent allowed, never mind police infiltration.

All we really need is the username no?

the 'real' name would be a bonus

 

[ska invita]

the 'real' name would be a bonus

I guess if it's a named spycop then yeah, it's out there anyway.

 

[ska invita]

Did urban75 get named in the inquiry?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I'd urge the mods to go ahead...sock puppetry and fake accounts arent allowed, never mind police infiltration.

All we really need is the username no?

It would probably be easy to link the username to the cover name. But I don't see this as an issue either as it's not their real name.

 

[winjer]

the 'real' name would be a bonus

No ideas on that I'm afraid.