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UK goes full speed ahead on shale gas fracking.

I just wish these dumb capitalists would leave our planet alone and realise there is and always has been more than enough energy available for all our needs from the sun.
 
thedockerslad said:
I just wish these dumb capitalists would leave our planet alone and realise there is and always has been more than enough energy available for all our needs from the sun.
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There may be enough energy from the sun but the real problem is storing the energy produced for long periods of time, especially to meet winter demand. The fact is we need coal-fired power generation whether people like it or not. Privatising the CEGB and breaking the coal industry has put us where we are today.
 
thedockerslad said:
I just wish these dumb capitalists would leave our planet alone and realise there is and always has been more than enough energy available for all our needs from the sun.
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It would be the same without capitalists. Under Soviet Communism the environment was trashed just as much if not more. In fact probably more because it was dictatorship.
 
Kaboooooom
Frack the 'desolate' North East, says Tory peer (who lives in the south)


The Conservative peer, who advises William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, on energy and resource security, called for fracking to be concentrated in the North East because it is “large, desolate and uninhabited areas”.
He claimed that it could be a “mistake” to discuss shale gas drilling – known as fracking – in terms “of the whole United Kingdom in one go”.
In comments sure to cause controversy, he seemed to suggest that there are not “beautiful” areas in the North East and that it would be ripe for shale gas exploration.
“There are obviously in beautiful rural areas, worries not just about the drilling and the fracking, which I think are exaggerated, but about the trucks, the delivery and the roads and the disturbance,” Lord Howell said. “And those are quite justified worries.”
“But there are large uninhabited and desolate areas, certainly up in the North East where there’s plenty of room for fracking well away from anyone’s residence where it can be conducted without any kind of threat to the rural environment.”
He added that “a distinction should be made between one area and another rather than lumping them all together”.
Lord Howell is father to Francis Osborne, the Chancellor’s wife.
The controversial comments by someone so close to the Chancellor will raise questions about the Government’s energy policies.
The Tories have also repeatedly faced accusations that they ignore the north of England because it is largely dominated by the Labour Party.
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:facepalm:

 
Just got back from Balcombe fracking site and, while spirits in the camp remain high, we're totally outnumbered by the pigs at a ratio of 3:1 - kind of reduced to a status of just witnessing lorries driving into the site :( Maybe as the protests continue more people will arrive to help stop this contamination of the water supply. Anyway here's an article about a peer reviewed paper proving that fracking = water contamination.....

http://esciencenews.com/articles/20....natural.gas.drilling.ut.arlington.study.says
 
equationgirl said:
There may be enough energy from the sun but the real problem is storing the therenergy produced for long periods of time, especially to meet winter demand. The fact is we need coal-fired power generation whether people like it or not. Privatising the CEGB and breaking the coal industry has put us where we are today.
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Made a lot of people rich in the process though, fracking is just another trough for them to get their noses into.
 
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/10088

The latest exuberant shale gas news comes from a report by the British Geological Survey estimating enormous new shale gas resources in the central UK. On June 27, 2013, the British Geological Survey (BGS) released a natural gas resource assessment for the Bowland Shale in the United Kingdom stating that approximately 40 trillion cubic metres (1,300 trillion cubic feet (Tcf)) of shale gas exist in 11 counties in northern England (Exhibit 1). The BGS report, unfortunately, only addresses gas-in-place (total resources) and not extractable resources (technically recoverable resources) much less reserves (commercial supply). The most-likely reserve potential of the Bowland Shale is only about 42 Tcf (3% of gas-in-place) after applying methods used by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) and Potential Gas Committee (PGC).
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We use about 3Tcf a year so that is about 14 years.

Poland’s Shale Gas Bubble ‘Bursting’

Past the political rhetoric, facts on the ground are less rosy. Despite around 40 wells being drilled in the country since 2010 (including by Halliburton contracted by Polish state company PGNiG S.A.), no company has to date announced that it can extract gas for commercial purposes.
Over the past year, ExxonMobil and two other companies, Marathon Oil and Talisman, announced they would withdraw from Poland, doubting the gains they could make. The government appears to be in damage control mode, telling international media that Exxon still holds on to one out of six concessions and that Marathon has not yet submitted official requests to pull out.
Tusk’s team is also working on legislative changes to make the companies’ lives easier: in addition to tax breaks until 2020, firms would have the possibility to turn exploration licences into production licences automatically as well as to increase the depth of drilling without extra permits.
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There is potentially a reasonable amount of gas in the UK but it is very very far from being fully nailed down that it is commercially viable. The best resouces are in the areas of the UK that have the most political clout and the eyes and ears of the media on them. I was told the best resources are actually just north of London, Ill have to hunt down my source again and check. But trollololol if true.

And anyone who has the time should watch this. Its a great docu on where oil comes from and were we are going with it.


The biggest irony is much\most of our oil comes from super greenhouses of the past when the world got so warm that oceans stratified and created anoxic zones where kerogen could form.
 
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Join us for a critical mass-style “go slow” to protest Cuadrilla’s planned fracking assault in Balcombe, Sussex.

London to Balcombe assemble 7am for an 11am convergence Saturday (3rd August) morning and cycle slooooowly down the hill to Lower Stumble, the site of the proposed fracking rig.

Do bring an old bike if you can so that you can donate it to the site after your morning exertions. All cyclists dearly welcomed. Bring sandwiches and/or donation to the camp (wish list here: http://greatgasgala.org.uk/what-to-bring/)

London-Balcombe RIG RACE
Assemble at 7am at the start of cycle route 21, where Creek Road meets Copperas Street in Greenwich.
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https://www.facebook.com/events/1377538732472307/
 
SikhWarrioR said:
decades of deindustrialisation going back to the great bitch thatcher. And yet the North-East can also produce some stuningly beautifull scenery as well
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Blame where blames due, Blair & Co merrily continued with her policies as is the present bunch, 2 aluminium smelters,one on my doorstep gone, due to slavish adherence to daft emissions targets
Though you are right about the scenery.
 

Planning authorities have been banned from considering whether renewable energy plants would be a better fit for their communities, if they receive an application for a fracking mine.

Documents released by the government stress that local authorities should instead recognise that "mineral extraction is essential to local and national economies". This is despite a Department for Communities and Local Government document highlighting 16 environmental risks linked to the process, including seismic shocks and the appearance of radioactive surface water.
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http://www.theguardian.com/environm...e-fracking-protests-government-tells-planners
 
One estimate is that 11% of volume of CH4 from tight gas is lost direct to the atmosphere
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50811/abstract

Methane (CH4) emissions from natural gas production are not well quantified and have the potential to offset the climate benefits of natural gas over other fossil fuels. We use atmospheric measurements in a mass balance approach to estimate CH4 emissions of 55 ± 15x103 kg hr-1 from a natural gas and oil production field in Uintah County, Utah on one day: February 3, 2012. This emission rate corresponds to 6.2-11.7% (1σ) of average hourly natural gas production in Uintah County in the month of February. This study demonstrates the mass balance technique as a valuable tool for estimating emissions from oil and gas production regions, and illustrates the need for further atmospheric measurements to determine the representativeness of our single-day estimate and to better assess inventories of CH4 emissions.
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May not be true but we know in many oil fields gas is simply burned off via flaring and flairing does not get all the gas that is burned. Since tight gas drilling took off there has been a global increase in CH4, this may be one of the sources for it. (May: this is all still new)
 
The main animation behind the anti-fracking movement strikes me as being fairly primitive, and I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

There's an idea of one literally compromising the ground beneath.

But, if truth be told, that's been going on for donkeys years. There's an almost amusing disconnect between an ideal of some solid earth and some compromised "fracked" territory.

It appeals to a visceral sense of the ground we tread on, our very notion of concrete, solid existence.

And, of course, it's complete nonsense.
 
Diamond said:
The main animation behind the anti-fracking movement strikes me as being fairly primitive, and I don't mean that in a pejorative way.

There's an idea of one literally compromising the ground beneath.

But, if truth be told, that's been going on for donkeys years. There's an almost amusing disconnect between an ideal of some solid earth and some compromised "fracked" territory.

It appeals to a visceral sense of the ground we tread on, our very notion of concrete, solid existence.

And, of course, it's complete nonsense.
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What the fuck are you talking about.
 
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