UK coronavirus tracking app - discussion
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Almost exactly the same sum that three days ago couldn’t possibly be found to stop children going hungry over the summer...
Round and round we go
[QUOTE="Teaboy, post: 16600491, member: 33885”]This was posted on here pages back, its more than a bit surprising that professional app developers didn't know this.[/QUOTE]
I’m sure they did, but obviously expertise costs money, so they took £100 million or whatever to mess around for a bit and then tell the government it was a stupid idea.
I’m sure they did, but obviously expertise costs money, so they took £100 million or whatever to mess around for a bit and then tell the government it was a stupid idea.
I am staggered that anyone is still defending this government.
A family member recently said the classic line 'they are doing their best under the circumstances'
as soon as I gave some examples of their many failings said person said they 'do not want to discuss it' because 'you (me) just want the Conservatives to fail' and 'It would have been worse under Corbyn' 
She reads the Mail and rarely leaves the house.
A family member recently said the classic line 'they are doing their best under the circumstances'
as soon as I gave some examples of their many failings said person said they 'do not want to discuss it' because 'you (me) just want the Conservatives to fail' and 'It would have been worse under Corbyn' She reads the Mail and rarely leaves the house.
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I was going to say that they may be doing their best, given that they are utterly incompetent - but no, as usual for the Tories they manage to combine selfishness and malice with incompetence, when they could just... not.I am staggered that anyone is still defending this government.
A family member recently said the classic line 'they are doing their best under the circumstances'
She reads the Mail and rarely leaves the house.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
We've all be taken for a Ryde.
I am staggered that anyone is still defending this government.
A family member recently said the classic line 'they are doing their best under the circumstances'
She reads the Mail and rarely leaves the house.
At least you tried your best.
It's not an 8 year old who's just found out they're totally shit at football. Its a national government where hundreds of people are needlessly and pointlessly dying every day. Gah!
bimble
floofy
people who have the brains for it might find this of interest - here are the contracts signed between the government & the big and small tech firms, setting out what they can do with NHS user data
www.opendemocracy.net
Under pressure, UK government releases NHS COVID data deals with big tech
Hours before openDemocracy was due to sue, government releases massive data-sharing contracts with Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Faculty and Palantir.
www.opendemocracy.net
maomao
普費斯
Answering the phone is so 20th Century. Can't they WhatsApp us?
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
WhatsApp is the only medium where I know a notification is an actual person i know contacting me for social purposes. I do not want govt agencies using it to contact me.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I assume they were joking btw.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Yes. I still dont want whatsapp comms from them.
mauvais
on reddit or something
I wrote this over a month ago, it's what's happened now and, guess what, it didn't work.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53105642
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
lockdown has a lot to answer for tbf
She rarely left the house before lockdown tbflockdown has a lot to answer for tbf
Yeah, I was just thinking that this thread provided a fair assessment of the issues and, lo, the predictions on here came to pass....
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
as someone who goes out more now i couldn't possibly comment
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Give it 5 minutes and the conspiracy theory people will be weaving this into their grand narrative of nonsense.
Cid
Proper break this time
I meant to post this a while ago... this is an example of what you get in South Korea (translated using wechat from a screenshot, so obviously inaccurate):
So obviously this isn't the tracking app itself, this is the messaging they get via social media. This was 29th May, and I believe it's been in operation since the very early days of the crisis. I.e. this - multiple notifications every day about ongoing measures - is just one element of their policy. Specific, regional notices giving simple, relevant information. Probably too much of it - I know there have been some complaints. But y'know. It's there. It was implemented months ago.
I cannot get my head around the level of incompetence over here. I'm struggling to think of a single thing the government has done right. Even with fucking examples to work from.
So obviously this isn't the tracking app itself, this is the messaging they get via social media. This was 29th May, and I believe it's been in operation since the very early days of the crisis. I.e. this - multiple notifications every day about ongoing measures - is just one element of their policy. Specific, regional notices giving simple, relevant information. Probably too much of it - I know there have been some complaints. But y'know. It's there. It was implemented months ago.
I cannot get my head around the level of incompetence over here. I'm struggling to think of a single thing the government has done right. Even with fucking examples to work from.
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Cid
Proper break this time
Yeah, those Koreans who are so trusting in their government they put the last president in jail for 25 years.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Of course.
I think, given a difficult engineering challenge, there are a few possibilities:
a) there is a solid technical answer but it could fail in practice because of non-engineering (e.g. social) issues like uptake or availability or privacy concerns, so build it and find out
b) there might be a theoretical technical answer but it could fail in practice because of real world practicalities, and you can only find out by large scale experimentation, so build it and find out
c) there might be a theoretical technical answer but it is very likely or certain to fail in practice because of real world practicalities, so don't take it seriously
d) there is no viable technical solution at all, don't bother
In my opinion the best hope, the Apple/Google element of this thing, was always a dollop of (a) but mostly (b) and (c), a bit of a longshot. The UK government's and its suppliers' approach was always and has been mostly (c) and (d), an objectively/scientifically predictable failure. I think most people involved will have known it too.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Don't get what that has to do with anything, it was a comment on people in the UK not agreeing to that level of monitoring and contact from the government. I mean there's been plenty on here saying they wouldn't even answer the phone to the T&T system, and that's been born out in reality from what I've heard.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
As long as that?
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