UAF collaboration with police at anti-EDL demo in Leeds

[gamma globulins]

Nice that they got one convert then. Thanks CyberRose, that helps give me a better impression of what the scene might have been like.

 

[In Bloom]

something from a disgruntled ex-afer perhaps?

http://projectsheffield.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/the-anarchist-federation-are-scum/

I'm proud to say that, to my knowledge, that particular individual has never been a member of the AF.

He just repeats the same silly lies (that we have screws as members, that Shef AF took credit for victory against Tesco on Commonside, that any of us give enough of a shit about him to even mention him to the police) over and over because he blames the AF for the fact that nobody in Sheffield wants to work with him any more.

 

[In Bloom]

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. AF member was "handed over" to the police by UAF stewards. Why?

The police were under the impression (don't know why) that he'd been involved in something illegal that had gone on earlier on.

What happened next?

He was released without charge once the police realised that there was no evidence whatsoever that he'd broken the law in any way, shape or form.

Why did the AF member leave the cordon, to what end, and what would happen to anyone else who did this?

Couldn't say, I don't think that the police were arresting people just for being outside of the cordon.

 

[el-ahrairah]

I'm proud to say that, to my knowledge, that particular individual has never been a member of the AF.

He just repeats the same silly lies (that we have screws as members, that Shef AF took credit for victory against Tesco on Commonside, that any of us give enough of a shit about him to even mention him to the police) over and over because he blames the AF for the fact that nobody in Sheffield wants to work with him any more.

Does he still post on here? I lost track of his alter-egos.

 

[Davo1]

Does he still post on here? I lost track of his alter-egos.

he starts alot of threads based on cut and paste material.

usually sentence the structure happens in this stance and manner with vocabulary odd to fuck your head mind....

 

[Rod Sleeves]

Does he still post on here? I lost track of his alter-egos.

enumbers

 

[ViolentPanda]

it seems very clear to me, from their statement, that the AF policy is that they 'will not tolerate' it - my question is what, in practice, they intend to do to demonstrate their intolerance of it - or is it just ill thought through rhetoric from people who like making grand sounding statements

Hopefully, physical resistance is what they intend.
Of course, that would play into the Swappie martyr complex.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The anti fascists who slag off the UAF, will only achieve the same ends as the UAF if they had any kind of success against the BNP.

That pre-supposes that UAF have had "any kind of success" against the BNP, and I'd hardly call their scrawny protests and cries of "no platform for Nazis" any kind of success.
Face it, groups like UAF are symbiotic with the BNP and other elements of the fascist current.

That being to stop people voting for the BNP, who will then go and vote mainly Labour and some to the Tories.

Thereby supporting a politics that's actually caused the resurgence of the far-right in the first place.

So in the end both sides in the split in anti fascism, would get more people voting for the two main parties if they were successful in curbing the BNP.

As an anti-fascist of over 30 years standing, I've never been interested in displacing votes, but rather in trying to tackle the issues that lead to people feeling that they need to support the far right in the first place.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The UAF are the state

Not what's been said, is it?
Surely shitting on other activists in order to stay "on-side" with the old bill isn't the sort of behaviour you'd support?

 

[Zaskar]

" fellow activists" - this is nonsense.

 

[In Bloom]

" fellow activists" - this is nonsense.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Davo1]

" fellow activists" - this is nonsense.

you are a bellend!

b-e-l-l-e-n-d (!)

 

[punkrockfaggot]

*bump* cos this thread = funnee.

I was there, as an AFer, and I thought I'd add the fact that several UAF stewards were throwing punches at a Trot mate of mine for daring to shout at Weyman Bennet.

They missed.

 

[audiotech]

Out of interest, what was being shouted and if punches were being thrown, because I never saw any, why has no one else raised this before?

 

[e19896]

I'm proud to say that, to my knowledge, that particular individual has never been a member of the AF.

He just repeats the same silly lies (that we have screws as members, that Shef AF took credit for victory against Tesco on Commonside, that any of us give enough of a shit about him to even mention him to the police) over and over because he blames the AF for the fact that nobody in Sheffield wants to work with him any more.

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power.

What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal.

We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?’

1984 George Orwell

Think about it for a while..

 

[In Bloom]

Think about it for a while..

Yes, we're exactly like the Party in 1984. Very insightful.

 

[e19896]

Yes, we're exactly like the Party in 1984. Very insightful.

Now paranoia is a state of mind AFED inform me that i suffer from, indeed they say a lot about me and know nothing, indeed did one say it was about AFED no i said think about it for a while, point proven in this fact good at misinformation a whole lot of propaganda with little content.

Anarchy will get you in trouble and Anarchism is a whole other matter.. never fucking trust an Anarchist, we want ANARCHY anarchism is bureaucratised revolution now i would aim that at AFED.

 

[Citizen66]

*makes connection*

Did you used to post back in the day (pre vbulletin) as Mozaz?

All the C & P odysseys?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Think about it for a while..

That Orwell quote is terrific. Extremely relevant to current UK politics I think.

In fact I'm gonna use it to annoy Detective Boy some more ...

 

[In Bloom]

Now paranoia is a state of mind AFED inform me that i suffer from, indeed they say a lot about me and know nothing, indeed did one say it was about AFED no i said think about it for a while, point proven in this fact good at misinformation a whole lot of propaganda with little content.

Anarchy will get you in trouble and Anarchism is a whole other matter.. never fucking trust an Anarchist, we want ANARCHY anarchism is bureaucratised revolution now i would aim that at AFED.

So what, exactly, was the point of that random block of quotation?

 

[e19896]

So what, exactly, was the point of that random block of quotation?

Quasi Fascist towards myself, i.e. threats of physical violence, likewise towards the working class I would debate that the social problems of the working class are a direct manifestation of capital itself.

On this post you say I Attack AFED because no one will work with me, I disagree with AFED because I fast see them becoming The Next SWP, your members and yourself spin the lies been told to you about myself and often there source is the Middle Class, back to subject your member in Leeds was being a mouthy sod as I understand?

If there is lack of self discipline from himself and the group he is part of then he of course will place himself at risk, we all know what The Red Fascist front of The UAF are, this is course dose not excuse there actions, but if as anarchist we are going to attend such ill thought out actions.

Then we must have self discipline, this brings it back to why I disagree with AFED all to willing to repeat misinformation about the working class, but utterly fail to understand the nature of class and why The Middle Class and the state would lie about us, this one is sure you can work out for yourself as said I want anarchy not Anarchism.

 

[audiotech]

With politics like this ^ you should set up a branch of the Khmer Rouge.

 

[In Bloom]

Quasi Fascist towards myself, i.e. threats of physical violence, likewise towards the working class I would debate that the social problems of the working class are a direct manifestation of capital itself.

On this post you say I Attack AFED because no one will work with me, I disagree with AFED because I fast see them becoming The Next SWP, your members and yourself spin the lies been told to you about myself and often there source is the Middle Class, back to subject your member in Leeds was being a mouthy sod as I understand?

If there is lack of self discipline from himself and the group he is part of then he of course will place himself at risk, we all know what The Red Fascist front of The UAF are, this is course dose not excuse there actions, but if as anarchist we are going to attend such ill thought out actions.

Then we must have self discipline, this brings it back to why I disagree with AFED all to willing to repeat misinformation about the working class, but utterly fail to understand the nature of class and why The Middle Class and the state would lie about us, this one is sure you can work out for yourself as said I want anarchy not Anarchism

This is actually just unsubstantiated bollocks, from start to finish.

 

[e19896]

This is actually just unsubstantiated bollocks, from start to finish.

Fascism is a complete abdication of personal responsibility. You are surrendering all responsibility for your own actions to the state in the belief that in unity there is strength, which was the definition of fascism represented by the original Roman symbol of the bundle of bound twigs. yes, it is a very persuasive argument: “In unity there is strength.” But inevitably people tend to come to the conclusion that the bundle of twigs will be much stronger if all the twigs are of a uniform size and shape[.] So it goes from “in unity there is strength” to “in uniformity there is strength”, and from there it proceeds to the excess of fascism as we’ve seen them excercise throughout the twentieth century and into the twenty-first.

Now anarchy, on the other hand, is almost starting from the principle that “in diversity there is strength”, which makes more sense from the point of view of looking at the natural world. [sic] The whole program of evolution seems to be to diversify, because in diversity there is strength.

And if you apply that on a social level, you get something like anarchy. Everybody is recognised as having their own abilities, their own particular agendas, and everybody has their own need to work cooperatively with other people.

Alan Moore Magpie’s book…

Come on a one line reply?, and you think I will walk from this? it can be very much substantiated and not just from myself, when I say quasi fascist I mean in this form to use the fear of threat of violence to impose your ideas on someone, members have AFED have placed me in such fear and have attacked myself in the physical context along with friends, members have AFED have told unsubstantiated lies to place me in fear create paranoia of being attacked this is fascism nothing more or less, indeed it achved it,s aim objective in the past, but one will no longer will be in fear of violence from AFED or the lies some of your members repeat that can not be substantiated but all that has happened to myself due the actions of your members can be..

 

[In Bloom]

I'm a boring as fuck, mental cunt who tells ridiculous lies without a shred of evidence.

Yes, yes you are.

 

[e19896]

Yes, yes you are.

In Bloom see how you lie this has never been said by myself, it is all so fucking sexist in the use of the word cunt, that is another debate is it not? so come on instead of spreading lies and misinformation lets have a proper debate, fuck no that would not be at all possible you are a member of AFED and one thing I do know there scum and offer the working class fuck all but a cul de sac..

 

[kenny g]

Either ways mate, thanks for the Orwell quote and for quite a bit of diamond and gold over the years in your postings. Much appreciated. Although at times they do seem a bit odd. Nothing altogether wrong with that. Better than being boring which is all too often the case on this board. Happy New Year.

 

[e19896]

Either ways mate, thanks for the Orwell quote and for quite a bit of diamond and gold over the years in your postings. Much appreciated. Although at times they do seem a bit odd. Nothing altogether wrong with that. Better than being boring which is all too often the case on this board. Happy New Year.

Thanks..

 

[In Bloom]

In Bloom see how you lie this has never been said by myself, it is all so fucking sexist in the use of the word cunt, that is another debate is it not? so come on instead of spreading lies and misinformation lets have a proper debate, fuck no that would not be at all possible you are a member of AFED and one thing I do know there scum and offer the working class fuck all but a cul de sac..

There's nothing in your posts to debate about, you just keep slinging shit at the AF in the hope that some of it will stick.

 

[kenny g]

There's nothing in your posts to debate about, you just keep slinging shit at the AF in the hope that some of it will stick.

OK, is it not the case that some members of the AF are prison workers and /or probation officers?

Is working in one of the above incompatible with AF membership? Do the AF have any policies or guidelines re: the above. If not, why not?