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Bollocks, I have spent ages looking into Anarchism through discussion with so-called Anarchists and reading thread after thread and book after book. Even here the subject has come up again and again and they usually say much the same as this - stating that I haven't a clue but refusing to back this up with any commentary as to where I am 'wrong'. If you wish to comment on the description in the clip then feel free.

Where have you ever posted in any details on your understanding of what constitutes anarchism? You certainly haven't on this thread,a dn a search of your posts reveals nothing substantial, in fact it reveals a whole host of massive misunderstandings, including this corker:

So actually Anarchism is just another ideal, which is why many anarchists end up being either liberals believing that people should be allowed to make their own decisions, small government etc, or Authoritarian Conservatives reckoning that it's always worked up to now and so we shouldn't try and change; usually this leads to stagnation and prison for those who fail to agree.

Unless of course, you're co-opting the definition in that awful video in your OP, in which case the only correct response is to laugh and point at you.
 
Bollocks, I have spent ages looking into Anarchism through discussion with so-called Anarchists and reading thread after thread and book after book. Even here the subject has come up again and again and they usually say much the same as this - stating that I haven't a clue but refusing to back this up with any commentary as to where I am 'wrong'. If you wish to comment on the description in the clip then feel free.



Any society is set up with a list of agreed rights and wrongs.

For freedom I defer to JS Mill here. Inevitably people will disagree with me on metaphysical issues and thus the need to agree to disagree. If a discussion on the facts occurs then it is important to be open to being wrong on every front, yet often (as here) the original topic (the clip on youtube) is derailed for the subject those with agendas would prefer to discuss.

On a physical level of course, my fist is limited by the position of your face, yet we are rarely talking about such physical issues - usually we are talking about the metaphysical.

Our Rights are decided by the constitutional set up of a country over time. Of course in the UK we don't even have a written constitution in stark contrast with most other countries. This has historical roots. The excuse is that we have an 'unwritten' constitution, which is a bullshit excuse for oligarchic abuse of the population if ever I've heard it. What we need is to discuss and formulate a modern, progressive written constitution.

The criticism of democracy in the clip is good too. The recognition of the need for a Republic, rather than a democracy and the avoidance of the word by the founding fathers is very interesting and makes sense.


nothing to do with economics? at all? Wow!
 
I assume that thuis is the typical GMart thread?

As Blagsta says, read some A-level intro to politics textbooks, one looking at Political theory, the other at (for the sake of argument) the development of politics in the UK over the last 350 years and come back, cos it will be much, much less painful for everyone, you included...
 
This is theory, but this video goes through the different types of government very clearly.

Clearly? That was a waste of my time. It's already been dissected by others.

Why do you bother Gmarthews? Plenty of people here are happy to put forward their views. A shame you don't listen.

I'll quote Butchersapron for you since you've him on ignore.

Bollocks, I have spent ages looking into Anarchism through discussion with so-called Anarchists and reading thread after thread and book after book. Even here the subject has come up again and again and they usually say much the same as this - stating that I haven't a clue but refusing to back this up with any commentary as to where I am 'wrong'. If you wish to comment on the description in the clip then feel free.

Where have you ever posted in any details on your understanding of what constitutes anarchism? You certainly haven't on this thread,a dn a search of your posts reveals nothing substantial, in fact it reveals a whole host of massive misunderstandings, including this corker:

So actually Anarchism is just another ideal, which is why many anarchists end up being either liberals believing that people should be allowed to make their own decisions, small government etc, or Authoritarian Conservatives reckoning that it's always worked up to now and so we shouldn't try and change; usually this leads to stagnation and prison for those who fail to agree.

Unless of course, you're co-opting the definition in that awful video in your OP, in which case the only correct response is to laugh and point at you.
 
I assume that thuis is the typical GMart thread?

As Blagsta says, read some A-level intro to politics textbooks, one looking at Political theory, the other at (for the sake of argument) the development of politics in the UK over the last 350 years and come back, cos it will be much, much less painful for everyone, you included...

I think YOU should ALL read some basic textbooks on this subject.

I thought I would say that, as it seems to pass as constructive comment here...

Why do you bother Gmarthews? Plenty of people here are happy to put forward their views.

They don't!! I would be happy to discuss the text of the clip but they seem unable to put forward their views on it. All they have done is to deliberately avoid all discussion. No comments have been made on the video because they seem unable to do so. And you stating that they have, just shows how little you have paid attention.

Even now there is no debate on the clip despite my constant attempts...

I'll quote Butchersapron for you since you've him on ignore.

Do you have to? His comments were useless as ever, as your quotes proved. No points made just accusations as ever. Pouring scorn on my understanding of Anarchism is NOT constructive, it is dismissive and irrelevant. I remember having huge discussions on Anarchism when I first started here and that was ages ago. I have also talked at length with a multitude of Anarchists (both real and imagined). Yet NONE of this is about the topics on the clip which (understandably) are being avoided. It would seem that given the choice of actual constructive comment and ignorance, everyone here apart from Elbow is going for the latter...
 
I think YOU should ALL read some basic textbooks on this subject.

I have, several times during my a-levels and degree. You seem unable to comprehend even the most basic principles of either the theory or practice of politics.
 
There needs to be some common ground to have any meaningful discussion. If one party has no grasp on basic terms and concepts, then no useful discussion will happen.
 
Do you have to? His comments were useless as ever, as your quotes proved. No points made just accusations as ever. Pouring scorn on my understanding of Anarchism is NOT constructive, it is dismissive and irrelevant. I remember having huge discussions on Anarchism when I first started here and that was ages ago. I have also talked at length with a multitude of Anarchists (both real and imagined). Yet NONE of this is about the topics on the clip which (understandably) are being avoided. It would seem that given the choice of actual constructive comment and ignorance, everyone here apart from Elbow is going for the latter...

Perhaps, rather than talking to imaginary anarchists (:confused:) you should read some anarchist literature. It's pretty easy tbh; Bakunin hardly wrote anything, Kropotkin is affable, beardy and deliberately easy to read (which is so refreshing to anyone into reading on politics) And Malatesta's Anarchy is short and honest... Tbh you could cover most of the core material reading a few hours a day for a week.
 
There needs to be some common ground to have any meaningful discussion. If one party has no grasp on basic terms and concepts, then no useful discussion will happen.

Not really. You could simply comment on the text of the clip, which everyone here seems unwilling to do so.

Which terms do you think I don't understand? I have proved over and over that I am quite able to discuss near enough everything, you are simply unable to discuss things without using wishy-washy terms like Left and Right.

I am well aware that you would love to have yet another fruitless debate on the idealism of Anarchy. (Feel free to start a thread!) Just don't expect me to take part. I have already commented and the response, as ever, is to ignore my words and attack my character, implying that I need to study more, as if I haven't.

Classic really - someone doesn't agree so he must be stupid...

I think I'll wait until someone actually watches the clip and wants to comment. You lot can all whinge about me not reading the correct books to each other :)
 
Perhaps, rather than talking to imaginary anarchists (:confused:)

I fail to see why this is confusing - some people consider themselves Anarchists when they are not.

Just another example of you failing to sit back and think about my words. How convenient it must be to assume that people who don't believe what you believe must be stupid...
 
I fail to see why this is confusing - some people consider themselves Anarchists when they are not.

Who are these people and why are they not anarchists?

Just another example of you failing to sit back and think about my words. How convenient it must be to assume that people who don't believe what you believe must be stupid...

I would be happy to provide some responses to a reasonable critique of anarchism; there are, imo, plenty of areas where it falls short. What i will not do is bother arguing with someone who's idea of anarchism is so wide of the mark that it'd be like debating whether Hitler was a Marxist.
 
I would be happy to provide some responses to a reasonable critique of anarchism;

I see no reason going over Anarchism when it is a transient situation at best - a society without laws (as the clip points out) would have no freedom. If you introduce laws (as most people want) then you are going towards a republic and we can start the debate, but Anarchy it is not.

I have not tried to start a thread on the pros and cons of Anarchism as there are many, and having read many, I see no reason to waste time on such theoretical irrelevancies.

As far as people who call themselves Anarchists, but who aren't - I have met many and they usually believe in SOME laws and thus their self-attributed-label is null and void.

One can argue for more localised power (a different debate) but again try pointing out that the EU has Subsidiarity as a basic principle and see how they pour scorn.

That is what they enjoy doing, pouring scorn rather than engagement of their brains. Note how they justify it to themselves so easily - refusing to discuss the clip here because it doesn't tally with their world view. If they were truly secure in their beliefs they would be happy to discuss the clip with quotes, safe in the knowledge that their views would win in the face of any discussion.

What they really want to do (of course) is to discuss things that they already know such as Bakunin and Kropotkin, but they seem unable to relate what these authors say to the text, and are reluctant to try, probably because they don't understand it themselves.
 
Bollocks, I have spent ages looking into Anarchism through discussion with so-called Anarchists and reading thread after thread and book after book. Even here the subject has come up again and again and they usually say much the same as this - stating that I haven't a clue but refusing to back this up with any commentary as to where I am 'wrong'. If you wish to comment on the description in the clip then feel free..

Well, that's a bit of a fib, isn't it?
What happened was that you didn't like the answers you got on here because they didn't accord to your preconceptions, and plenty of people went into great detail about exactly where your preconceptions were wrong.
 
I see no reason going over Anarchism when it is a transient situation at best - a society without laws (as the clip points out) would have no freedom. If you introduce laws (as most people want) then you are going towards a republic and we can start the debate, but Anarchy it is not.
Two preconceptions: that an anarchist society would be a society "without laws", and that "law" necessarily means "you are going towards a republic".
I have not tried to start a thread on the pros and cons of Anarchism as there are many, and having read many, I see no reason to waste time on such theoretical irrelevancies.

As far as people who call themselves Anarchists, but who aren't - I have met many and they usually believe in SOME laws and thus their self-attributed-label is null and void.
In your own arrogant and dismissive opinion, and defined by your own narrow understanding of "anarchism" perhaps, but not to those who actually know what they're talking about.
One can argue for more localised power (a different debate)...
That depends on the context in which you mention it.
but again try pointing out that the EU has Subsidiarity as a basic principle and see how they pour scorn.
What makes you think that "local" power (i.e. one step down from national in the context of EU subsidiarity) has anything to do with the view anarchists take of local power (i.e. grass-roots/community level)?
That is what they enjoy doing, pouring scorn rather than engagement of their brains. Note how they justify it to themselves so easily - refusing to discuss the clip here because it doesn't tally with their world view. If they were truly secure in their beliefs they would be happy to discuss the clip with quotes, safe in the knowledge that their views would win in the face of any discussion.
I refuse to discuss the clip because I'm on dial-up, and can't afford to waste five minutes or more waiting for a clip to download.
What they really want to do (of course) is to discuss things that they already know such as Bakunin and Kropotkin, but they seem unable to relate what these authors say to the text, and are reluctant to try, probably because they don't understand it themselves.
And you do, I suppose?
Spare me!
 
Generally it distracts from the key issue, which is freedom - which is where the link in the OP goes - entering into the debate as to how we do this thing called government once we have dismissed the fallacious Left-Right split and Anarchy etc.

For example, if I stated that I see no reason to recycle, would you think any worse of me? Would you judge me? Do I have the Right to be different?

Maybe I am being unfair. Perhaps the 'non-authoritarian' left really does exist and they will start talking about the importance of freedom and rights forthwith, but from experience here I find them to be few and far between. People are much more concerned with finding fault in others and judging them to be wrong and thus in need of control...:eek:

Well I think freedom is a key issue for most people. We have the ability to make choices, and we like to use that ability, we arent too keen on external forces getting in the way of our freedom. But there are problems with this, namely that unimpinged freedom implies that we are fully in control of our own lives, but our lives affect the lives of others, which implies that we need some control over other peoples lives to keep our own freedom at 100%. Even in a simple world with only 2 people, in a relationship, there is give and take. There will be the need to compromise, which involves giving up some control, which means we do not have absolute freedom. Freedom vs security is not just an issue for states, but for individuals, absolute freedom seems impossible to achieve because we have to get along with other humans, and because of our own internal contradictions about whether we really crave freedom at the expense of security.

I think the issue of private poverty is a good example of the conflict between freedom and security, where economic fundamentals and left vs right opinions are in no way irrelevant or wishy-washy.

There are non-authoritarian beliefs across the left-rightpectrum of politics and opinion, but there are a number of reasons they may remain off the radar, or be easily dismissed. The primary problem is that all of these things are about changing the status quo, and as the status quo suits some people, those who want change are going to have to impinge on the freedom and rights of those who want to carry on as things currently are. So even if trying to achieve something that really is freedom, there will be authoritarianism along the way. A revolution that was all about freedom during the revolution as opposed to just as the final goal, would require everyone to spontaneously decide for themselves that this is the path to go down. Perhaps ideas about this were one part of the 60's/hippy movement, the idea that there is a policeman inside our heads who must be destroyed, and that only people spontaneously deciding to go on that journey for themselves, by dropping out, would bring about the revolution they sought.

Anyway rather than argue about whether left-right is irrelevant, or whether any on the left really belieive in freedom, Id be keen to explore the exact nature of the freedom that those who, on the face of it appear to be right-wing libertarians, are so keen to obtain. Its clear they arent fans of big government or things like the central bank. Apart from destroying those institutions, what do they want to see happen? Do they believe in democracy on any level? Do they believe more in the freedom of the wealthy to do as they please, than anything else? Who would they turn to if someone else decided to claim their property for themselves? How about the freedom to enslave another man? Are they powerful, and their real beef is that other powerful people are limiting their power, and they want the freedom to be the king of the jungle? Freedom itself is a messy business!
 
I see no reason going over Anarchism when it is a transient situation at best - a society without laws (as the clip points out) would have no freedom. If you introduce laws (as most people want) then you are going towards a republic and we can start the debate, but Anarchy it is not.

Ok, first of all you seem to be espousing the classical liberal definition of freedom; which really means classes that already own resources and the means to control labour are pretty much free to fuck over whoever they want to. It leaves markets, the environment, working people etc completely open to exploitation and is therefore basically unsustainable.

Anarchism is based around the idea that workers are able to organise themselves into a social movement that gives them possession of the means of production, as such laws are not required in the traditional sense simply because to exist within that society you have to work with it... there are some flaws in that imo, but lets not go into it. Possessions become a product of the entire community; basically from each according to... etc. This is not stagnant in any sense though; rather it is a society where workers are able to push forward their production skills and technology while also having plenty of time to further intellectual, artistic and cultural pursuits. That's a hopelessly simplistic interpretation of course, but I'm not copying out a load of Kropotkin for you just because you can't be arsed to read him. It's too utopian in some ways, and the progression from capitalism to anarchy is not explore in enough detail (imo violent revolution is basically an inevitable failure, with some long term benefits like the ousting of monarchies etc) but the principle is sound enough.

Actually that was a pretty poor summary. Might do it better later.
 
Two preconceptions: that an anarchist society would be a society "without laws", and that "law" necessarily means "you are going towards a republic".
Well despite your attempt to redefine the word, everyone knows (and you would if you looked it up) that Anarchy means :a state of society without government or law. (see any dictionary you like...)
In your own arrogant and dismissive opinion, and defined by your own narrow understanding of "anarchism" perhaps, but not to those who actually know what they're talking about.
Which considering the definition quoted above seems somewhat indicative of your struggle against reality.
That depends on the context in which you mention it.
This comment is pithy, snidey and has no substance. It just shows that your priority is to avoid engagement.
I refuse to discuss the clip because I'm on dial-up, and can't afford to waste five minutes or more waiting for a clip to download.
What a surprise! - Mr Know-it-all-can't-be-bothered-to-consider-anything-new strikes again.
Well I think freedom is a key issue for most people. .... Freedom itself is a messy business!
So accepting that freedom is important and then going on to justify authoritarianism as a means to an end. Stating that the Left Right labels are not wishy washy but not defining them to any degree.

I agree that the status quo needs to be changed and that many will fight this, but that doesn't mean that we have to turn into them. You are correct when you talk about the 'freedom to enslave another man'. There is a need for law or else there is no freedom. So it is the law courts which take on the difficult task of finding this balance. The clip also comments on this.

And again I must ask you to define what you mean by 'Right Wing' and why you consider it to be so important? No one has said anything which confronts the claim on the clip that people who use such terms refuse to define their terms. Ironically the refusal just reinforces the clips validity.
Anarchism is based around the idea that workers are able to organise themselves into a social movement that gives them possession of the means of production, as such laws are not required in the traditional sense simply because to exist within that society you have to work with it... there are some flaws in that imo, but lets not go into it. ...etc
Actually your definition of Anarchism sounds more like Socialism which is good in theory but not in practice.

Class eh? Another wishy washy term. What freedoms would people have in a Socialist world? If allocated a job would they be free to leave it? Would people be free to choose not to be socialist? Would there be freedom of speech? What about parties which wish to bring back Capitalism?

Marx might have some minor points to make, but it is still one set of people telling another set of people what to do. What is so scarey is that so many people like Elbow et al seem quite happy with the idea of such authoritarianism as a means to an end. Leading to: Sod people's freedom, we have a vision of society which is correct and we will impose it on you whether you like it or not.

Much as idealism of this sort might be tempting, I would suggest that the means will turn into a nightmare and years of regret.

I would thus suggest that only through education, debate and democracy will change actually be successful. A boring conclusion maybe, but there you go.

I sadly note how reluctant everyone is to quote the text of the clip and comment. Shame! Still not surprising, it makes a good case, whereas the people on here seem more keen on avoiding such thought.
 
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Actually your definition of Anarchism sounds more like Socialism which is good in theory but not in practice.

Yes. It does. if you knew anything at all about anarchism you would take that for granted.

Class eh? Another wishy washy term. What freedoms would people have in a Socialist world? If allocated a job would they be free to leave it? Would people be free to choose not to be socialist? Would there be freedom of speech? What about parties which wish to bring back Capitalism?

Point of socialism................................<infinity>..................Gmart.

But yes, you would be able to chose your job under anarchism, you would be able to chose your working hours too, in fact half the point of Anarchism is that workers are able to work for their communities but spend a large amoun of time on more esoteric pursuits (from Kropotkin's perspective anyway).

Marx might have some minor points to make, but it is still one set of people telling another set of people what to do. What is so scarey is that so many people like Elbow et al seem quite happy with the idea of such authoritarianism as a means to an end. Leading to: Sod people's freedom, we have a vision of society which is correct and we will impose it on you whether you like it or not.

Whereas laws do what? As it happens I'm a fan of Marx's historicism, but think he's flawed in other ways and don't know enough so will leave that for others (although I doubt anyone will waste their time for you).

I would thus suggest that only through education, debate and democracy will change actually be successful. A boring conclusion maybe, but there you go.

So you're an anarchist then?
 
Well despite your attempt to redefine the word, everyone knows (and you would if you looked it up) that Anarchy means :a state of society without government or law. (see any dictionary you like...)
Who's talking about "anarchy"?
I'm talking (and you appear to be, too) about ANARCHISM.
Now, I'm aware you have a few problems of comprehension, but really...
Which considering the definition quoted above seems somewhat indicative of your struggle against reality.
How so, oh sage one?
This comment is pithy, snidey and has no substance. It just shows that your priority is to avoid engagement.
The comment is relevant and shows nothing but that. Please don't project your own failings onto others.
What a surprise! - Mr Know-it-all-can't-be-bothered-to-consider-anything-new strikes again.
No, Mr "Dial-up takes forever" can't be bothered to sit doing nothing (because you can't even successfully open new web-pages when a video is downloading/streaming) for 10 minutes just to satisfy you.

Perhaps if you spent less time misrepresenting people in an attempt to stroke your own ego.....
Nah, not going to happen, is it?
 
Well despite your attempt to redefine the word, everyone knows (and you would if you looked it up) that Anarchy means :a state of society without government or law. (see any dictionary you like...)

Define: anarchism

Anarchism does not mean a society without law(s). The nature of law is neutral, rational, and autonomous. Anarchist law would be consensual (made by all people in a community by direct democracy). It would be foolish to assume that anarchism means no law, since people have always made rules and laws. It is possible to achieve justice and equality in an anarchist society, however people would have to work together to achieve solutions (this might not seem an easy task at first glance, but neither is the process of using the current state-legal system).

Unlike the popular image of anarchists as bomb-throwing terrorists, anarchism does not reject social order and most anarchists do not advocate violence. Anarchists have created alternative forms of societal organization, frequently based on decentralized, autonomous, voluntary communities (Ehrlich, 1996; Taylor, 1982, 1984). Even when conceding that effective communities might sometimes require some form of peer compulsion (as occurs in non-law societies), anarchists insist that a just society requires neither formal law nor the centralized state (Fox, 1985, 1993a; Holterman & van Meerseveen, 1984). Any anarchist-approved system would have to incorporate principles such as voluntariness, cooperative consensus-driven decision making, equality rather than hierarchy, and decentralization (van Maarseveen, 1984).
http://dennisfox.net/papers/false.html
 
I quite like the distinction between rules and laws that the BG have in Dune - a rule is something that can be agreed upon, but also changeable as the circusmstances demand, whereas a law has the form of permanence, of immobility; they're a piece of paper than can be waved about as an absolute, when the situation demands the opposite.

I do find it interesting that in all the discussion of community based law etc in a lot of anarchist literature, at least posted on here, no one really talks about where the best enforcement of those rules would happen is in people's minds, through 'self-actualisation' that behaviour has consequences and edit their own behaviour without having to rely on external pressure or coercion to do so
 
Anarchism does not mean a society without law(s). The nature of law is neutral, rational, and autonomous. Anarchist law would be consensual (made by all people in a community by direct democracy). It would be foolish to assume that anarchism means no law, since people have always made rules and laws. It is possible to achieve justice and equality in an anarchist society, however people would have to work together to achieve solutions (this might not seem an easy task at first glance, but neither is the process of using the current state-legal system).
Can you give us some examples of laws that an anarchist society would have?

E2A: That's a question for anyone, not just LB, BTW
 
Marx might have some minor points to make, but it is still one set of people telling another set of people what to do. What is so scarey is that so many people like Elbow et al seem quite happy with the idea of such authoritarianism as a means to an end. Leading to: Sod people's freedom, we have a vision of society which is correct and we will impose it on you whether you like it or not.

No I am not happy with such authoritarianism. I dont tend to think that bad things are justified if they get a good result. I tend to assume that if a revolution if fought for in a horrible way, the end result will be corrupted and horrible. In my posts in this thread I have merely been expressing my opinion about why many people who support the notion of freedom, end up supporting the opposite in some way. Im not saying thats a good thing, far from it.

I would thus suggest that only through education, debate and democracy will change actually be successful. A boring conclusion maybe, but there you go.

Well yes, it would be rather marvelous if we could make change happen that way. Flawed as they are, our current systems of democracy do give some opportunity for some change to occur without carrot or stick. Imbalances, such as other forms of power preventing each persons opinion being equally respected and taken into account as the grand compromise of democracy churns out its policies, are a big problem that leaves most disgruntled and cynical about the democracy we have now. Still even if we had a fully balanced functional democracy, people would not always get their way, if all groups in society are equally disgruntled with the democracy then maybe that would be an indicator that it was fair and working!

I sadly note how reluctant everyone is to quote the text of the clip and comment. Shame! Still not surprising, it makes a good case, whereas the people on here seem more keen on avoiding such thought.

You are free to dismiss us, to deem things you dont find important to be universally irrelevant and wishy-washy. We are free to ridicule your point of view. We are free to avoid points made in that video, you are free to ignore questions about private property, and the contradictions between freedom and law. Meanwhile absolute freedom remains implausible, and it is unlikely that those with power through position and wealth will ever be completely free to exercise their power without any restraint. They may be free to dismantle the welfare safety net, but they cannot escape the consequences. People may be able to dodgy responsibilities for a while, but consequences will catch up with them in the end.
 
Can you give us some examples of laws that an anarchist society would have?

E2A: That's a question for anyone, not just LB, BTW

This is something of a diffcult one, it must be said... Anarchism runs into the 'problem' that it is not lead by a coherent group. This is really the point of course; rather than a socialist or communist model anarchism runs on a bottom-up democratic system. Um... to explain further originally anarchism is conceived as a worker-run movement; the intellectuals being no greater (or lower) in stature than the workers. There is no intellectual vanguard as there is in some interpretations of socialism. There are those who are educated of course, but these are not viewed as in any way superior; rather they must pass on anything that they know to anyone who is motivated to learn it.

This is in some ways flawed given modern globalised and ridiculously complex society, but that doesn't matter so much for the argument I'll make. The key here is that anarchism comes off the back of a motivated worker movement; fundamentally a movement that is based on the right to ownership of labour and the right to go about one's business without threat to personal well-being. As such violations of those rights can be considered violations of the basic principles of anarchism. How those violations are treated are really down to the community. This may seem like ducking out, but if you've ever lived with a tightly-knit community it might make more sense to you; they are able to form judgements and solutions without recourse to violence or even aggressive debate... In a way this goes to libertarian ideals; why would you commit a crime when you are completely reliant on the community you are committing the crime against?

Um... that's somewhat simplistic, I'm somewhat drunk after all, but maybe it helps.
 
But yes, you would be able to chose your job under anarchism, you would be able to chose your working hours too, in fact half the point of Anarchism is that workers are able to work for their communities but spend a large amount of time on more esoteric pursuits (from Kropotkin's perspective anyway).

Blimey, everyone in the entire world wants this - no group has a monopoly on this ideal no matter what label you give the group.

anarchism is conceived as a worker-run movement; the intellectuals being no greater (or lower) in stature than the workers. There is no intellectual vanguard as there is in some interpretations of socialism. There are those who are educated of course, but these are not viewed as in any way superior; rather they must pass on anything that they know to anyone who is motivated to learn it.

This is in some ways flawed given modern globalised and ridiculously complex society, but that doesn't matter so much for the argument I'll make. The key here is that anarchism comes off the back of a motivated worker movement; fundamentally a movement that is based on the right to ownership of labour and the right to go about one's business without threat to personal well-being. As such violations of those rights can be considered violations of the basic principles of anarchism. How those violations are treated are really down to the community. This may seem like ducking out, but if you've ever lived with a tightly-knit community it might make more sense to you; they are able to form judgements and solutions without recourse to violence or even aggressive debate... In a way this goes to libertarian ideals; why would you commit a crime when you are completely reliant on the community you are committing the crime against?

So slightly anti those who are knowledgeable a reluctant acceptance that they might have knowledge worth knowing but an insistance that they MUST share it.

Close knit communities, such as families for example, always find someway to bring in respect for all and this leads to the inevitable list of rights and wrongs.

Complete decentralisation is a great ideal (and one major reason for supporting the EU), yet inevitably there are issues which are bigger than just the community - these have to be dealt with at a larger level. For example fishing - if left to itself we have the technology to take every last fish out of the sea but through quotas from Europe we don't. The fishing industry may not like it and the system is far from perfect yet it is better than not having a system at all.

Fair enough on the Anarchy/Anarchism issue - No laws would seem like a strawman though not intentional. The clip, however, talks exactly about no government, and it was this I was commenting on.

There are some good descriptions of some good policies being described, but they are not of Anarchism, they are just forms of Republic. Trying to label them Anarchism is just plain wrong and even misleading. Having no government is Anarchism. The moment any kind of organisational structure is called into existance then it stops being Anarchism, and becomes whatever has rushed in to fill the void (again see the clip). If such a revolution happened then it would be necessary to have a fully reasoned descrption of the vision standing by or else the Military would take over and impose an election (at best)

I'm just trying to be realistic here. Everyone is just describing their ideal and calling it Anarchism where real Anarchism is a transitional period which doesn't exist in the long term (again pointed out on the clip and thus given as the reason for its dismissal). Just describing something else and insisting that it is actually Anarchism and that my refusal to accept this, just means that I must be thick...

The idea of localisation without any centralism for issues of that nature seems closer to describing England in the early 17th century, before the technological age we have now. It was broadly like this because we hadn't developed. However it is of course, unrealistic to expect the
modern globalised and ridiculously complex society
as you put it, to suddenly disappear, for us to start again.
 
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