GarfieldLeChat
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funny that's what i was thinking...
Two Stabbed on Stoke Newington High Street
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funny that's what i was thinking...
Wolfie Smith
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Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Any chance that you'll actually engage with the rest of my post?
so are you gentrified or what, we need to know
I've just reread the thread and am struggling to understand exactly what your point is - yes, there are quite stark and noticeable contrasts between people living on local authority estates and many of the people in the huge houses off church st and surrounds, but most of the young people i come into contact with are well behaved, respestful and decent people, who are as shocked and upset by incidents such as the murder of Etim before christmas as everyone else. I certainly don't see or hear about overt racial aggravation in the way that you have implied, more acquisitional crime based on poverty, opportunism, as well as drugs.
I believe that the council could do more, communities could do more, and individuals need to wake up to their roles and responsibilities towards young people. I think there's more that could be done with mentoring programmes, i think more could be done in terms of ensuring education is relevant and inspiring to such a diverse bunch of kids, youth workers funded to employ local people to work on the estates and getting to know the kids would bring about other financial savings, so the council should be making this case to central government as well as residents.
Paulie i actually agree with a fair bit of what youve said.
I think youve got it a bit arse round tit there are major differences not only in people living on estates and houses but within estates and roads. Etim was just one victim of the gang violence that is totally out of control in london and many other areas too.
Its OK for 20,30 and 40 somethings who are removed from the violence but not so great for younger people. Hackney council are an utter disgrace...they waste so much money but as you point out facilities and things to do for youths are almost totally overlooked...I used to play football with loads of kids over butterfield...sadly many became victims or perpetrators of gang violence....Really great kids some of whom ended up murderers or murdered....There is practically no youth football teams in Hackney....Yet the council spent how much on clissold leisure centre or on tennis and cricket clubs....
They are utter scum. But what of all the middle class lefties in Stoke Newington/Hackney what is their role in all of this?
I believe that the council could do more, communities could do more, and individuals need to wake up to their roles and responsibilities towards young people. I think there's more that could be done with mentoring programmes, i think more could be done in terms of ensuring education is relevant and inspiring to such a diverse bunch of kids, youth workers funded to employ local people to work on the estates and getting to know the kids would bring about other financial savings, so the council should be making this case to central government as well as residents.
Paulie i actually agree with a fair bit of what youve said.
I think youve got it a bit arse round tit there are major differences not only in people living on estates and houses but within estates and roads. Etim was just one victim of the gang violence that is totally out of control in london and many other areas too.
Its OK for 20,30 and 40 somethings who are removed from the violence but not so great for younger people. Hackney council are an utter disgrace...they waste so much money but as you point out facilities and things to do for youths are almost totally overlooked...I used to play football with loads of kids over butterfield...sadly many became victims or perpetrators of gang violence....Really great kids some of whom ended up murderers or murdered....There is practically no youth football teams in Hackney....Yet the council spent how much on clissold leisure centre or on tennis and cricket clubs....
They are utter scum. But what of all the middle class lefties in Stoke Newington/Hackney what is their role in all of this?
Treacle Toes
Time
Did you go to school there also?
....and has your first born child ever sported a babygrow which has the inscription....'Made in N.16'?
If not you suck i'm afraid.
ok fair enough .. but i think it is worse than you describe .. i am sure most of these people would not deliberately exclude or fuck up anyone but in their ignorent middle class privalaged lives, they do do that. These problems do not come from nowhere as you know .. and church street is one of the most galring examples of this division in east and north london ..
p.s see the front of the happy hackney today? i think you'll see more of that
p.s of course the maj of kids are cool and particulalry to older people .. for the kids themselves it is pretty fraught around here not being able to go to certain areas etc etc etc
re the council ..socially they are based on church street .. used to be in the fox reformed .. and you have to ask why they do so little for locally w/c people .. all part of the same shit imho
Treacle Toes
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This is a good point and perhaps the one you should have been making all along as IMO it is the most important.
The sheer stress and anxiety on the shoulders of young people now, especially boys/men makes me shiver. I feel for them in this respect, so much it hurts.
yes indeed it is not goodThis is a good point and perhaps the one you should have been making all along as IMO it is the most important.
The sheer stress and anxiety on the shoulders of young people now, especially boys/men makes me shiver. I feel for them in this respect, so much it hurts.
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