Paulie Tandoori
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Care to expand on that insightful piece of analysis?
No, which secondary school would that be then?
Two Stabbed on Stoke Newington High Street
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1 I could but it would take a while and to be honest i still dont think youlld really get it.
2 Kingsland.
Paulie Tandoori
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1. you'd be surprised, you really would so come on, out with it.
2. Kingsland school, strictly speaking, is in Dalston. Notwithstanding any geographical nonsense, the reasons it was shut down include chronic underinvestment, poor management and the Learning Trust being determined not to let it stay open, despite a new head teacher getting it taking off special measures just weeks before closure was confirmed.
OK Paulie. I think that EP was an Old School Tory....Racist to some degree but probably not much more than most people...And probably in some ways a lot less....
I think that mass immigration has created many problems for everybody....Some of the White and not so white Incomers to Hackney and Lambeth may love the cosmopolitan wank.....But for a lot of people who grew up in those areas white and not so white they see the areas as hell holes....
I think if you are going to have mass immigration,integration is key myself...Without it especially in poorer areas you are just pouring petrol on the fires.....
There are rivers of blood in our inner cities and though it really might not much bother the middle class scum who write in the mail and guardian it bothers some of us quite a lot.
I think that mass immigration has created many problems for everybody....Some of the White and not so white Incomers to Hackney and Lambeth may love the cosmopolitan wank.....But for a lot of people who grew up in those areas white and not so white they see the areas as hell holes....
I think if you are going to have mass immigration,integration is key myself...Without it especially in poorer areas you are just pouring petrol on the fires.....
There are rivers of blood in our inner cities and though it really might not much bother the middle class scum who write in the mail and guardian it bothers some of us quite a lot.
Paulie Tandoori
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I find it difficult to think of a more racially harmonious borough in many ways than Hackney. Yet, it is very poor indeed. So where is this petrol then? Btw, i've lived and worked in the borough for 20 years now.
I would say a larger problem for the people of Hackney currently is rampant redevelopment as the result of imminent tube station, aligned to proximity to the City, which means they're being shunted out, either directly through housing transfer or indirectly through being unable to afford to stay there any longer.
And i must have missed your response about Kingsland school being shut due to racial tensions?
And i must have missed your response about Kingsland school being shut due to racial tensions?
I didnt say it had been closed due to racial tensions. I said PART of the reason it closed was due to gang problems....Which for the last few years at least were largely turkish/kurdish gangs...
Some of the Middle Class White Incomers moved in a long time before that. But still struggle to understand the other side of Hackney....
What exactly do you mean by racially harmonious?
well there is no race against race violence that i see .. but beyond that -
there is pretty well no mixing either, particularly amongst the middle class white immigrants. Church Street and it's pubs are pretty well 'No Blacks' ( and i know a particulalr chain of sofa'd stokey pubs where the landlord asks djs not to play music that would attract black ( read also w/c ) people )
and newer kurdish turkish and african commnities are, at this stage, keeping themselves to themselves.
and imho this de facto segregation has got a lot worse over the past 20 years, and that seems to be due to the increasing middle class population, newer immigrant communities and white flight.
goldenecitrone
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ajdown
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I think you'll actually find it's the immigrant communities getting together with their fellow countrymen, and refusing to integrate with the existing society in the area that they have chosen to move in to.
Refusal to learn English, opening their own shops, pubs and whatever, and pretty much keeping themselves to themselves instead of enhancing whatever is already there.
Segregation by their choice, not because 'horrible old whitey' is putting them down in any way, shape or form.
goldenecitrone
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And even more bullshit. Refusal to learn English? So you reckon people are deliberately trying not to learn the language. How many languages can you speak then? None probably, otherwise you'd realise just how difficult language learning is.
People are tribal and stick with their own. My two best mates are the people I met at university 20 years ago. Multi culturalism is about different cultures living side by side. I'm not sure exactly what 'integration' means. But I've seen loads of immigrants reading the Sun. And not enhancing the area? What do you want them to do exactly to enhance the area? Recreate the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. So much ignorance on this thread it's untrue.
ajdown
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I speak English, because I live in England. It's our official language. If I was to permanently relocate to .. well pretty much any other country in the world that doesn't have English as its primary language, you'd have to learn at least enough of the language to get by. Would any other country put up in roadsigns in its native language and English to help those who have moved there? Of course not. We bend over backwards not only to accommodate other cultures (which in itself isn't necessarily a bad thing) but at the expense of our own. Funds are wasted providing services that could be far better used for everyone's benefit rather than just a specific language group.
How many hundreds of millions of pounds are spent annually on translation services in pretty much every avenue of modern life, to accommodate those who have come to this country and, even after 10 years here, don't speak enough English to be able to hold a basic conversation?
GarfieldLeChat
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here we go again with the standard bollocks church street v's the rest of stokie shite all over again ... funny how last weekend at butterfields road there didn't seem to be too much racial tension for what was in essenece a village fete, no doubt next weekend these same old faces will be revelling with the rest of them at stoke fest before not giving stokie another thought for year ....
GarfieldLeChat
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less than was spent on keeping a swimming pool unfit for purpose closed for the last 4 years...
and sadly more than they've spent on school maintanence or building in the last 10 years... we are still busing some 5000, to 8,000 children out of the area every day to neigbouroing boroughs due to lack of school places...
less than has been spent on medical provision being one of the few bourghs where you need to force yourself on to a doctors waiting list....
with such in vestment it's a wonder that newer commmunititees decide to organise for themselves...
isn't that what you anarkids want any way? self organiseation?
ajdown
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Who said I was an anarchist? I think you must have me confused with someone else.
so how many black/BME people in The Prince? The Lion? The Fox Reformed? the Landsborough and all the other snidey middle class tosser pubs? and how many black/BME people own homes on those deleightfull streets north and south of Church Street? How many black/BME faces in Fresh and Wild or The Spence, wanker places that they are? And how many of the recent victims of shootings and stabbings have been these white middle classes?? none .. it is two segregated worldsSegregation? What bollocks.
p.s. i said de facto segregation .. not straight segregation
ajdown
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if you found other "BME", as you put it, pubs and streets in the area where you don't see any white faces (unless they're completely lost).
Prime examples, I would say, of communities 'keeping themselves to themselves', rather than nasty ol' whitey keeping them out of 'their areas'.
Few weeks ago, we went to East Street market. Bursting for a piss, we decided to hop into a pub we saw for a quick drink and use the loo. It was an Irish pub, and I have not felt so uncomfortable - or drunk a pint so quickly - for a long, long time.
Paulie Tandoori
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That says so much more about you than it does about any thing else at all.
Tbf, i haven't the time or the inclination to argue with the utter wank being posted on this thread.
Whether it's your utter straw men, durutti's view of stoke newington starting and ending at church st or baldwin's complete and consistent inconsistent meanderings.
ajdown
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... and you say that because?
Paulie Tandoori
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Because you come out with utter shit such as:
if you can show me just one street in the whole borough of hackney that's divided on those grounds, i'll give you a oncer. serious, send me your address and i'll hand deliver the fucker.ajdown said:
you utter fucking twat.
Is it the fault of the "snidey middle class tossers" they can manage to go about their daily lives without stabbing and shooting each other?
Or that "BME" people don't want to go to the same pubs as they do? Or don't like the same music?
Hardly....
Giles..
ajdown
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I suggest you go away and learn how to communicate without being offensive. There's no need to talk like that.
GarfieldLeChat
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well it's you utterly unrealistic non world flights of fanstasy about how the world is compared to how it really works that did it...
i mean it's entirely obvious that your utterly delulled as to how life works and seem to think you have the solutions to the problems whilst in reality only expanding the ever growing pool of ignornace...
GarfieldLeChat
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so do you son...
perhaps if you ceased saying offensive things people would cease being offensive to you in their reaction. these things aren't mutually exclusive you know...
ajdown
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They aren't offensive views, they just happen to be different from yours. Big, big difference.
It's also possible to reply without strings of profanity. When all people can do is swear and throw personal insults as a response, it shows they've run out of intelligent responses.
Assuming, of course, they had any in the first place.
GarfieldLeChat
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i tend to fidn that peopel who obsess over the venacular rather than the point of the conversation tend to be short sighted and incapable of logical discussion because their dogmatic belief system be it religion or secular morals predetermines their viewpoint.
swearing is bad/wrong/imorral so the point being made is invaild becuase it to is bad/wrong/immoral.
it's this flawed logic which makes fundemenalists of all flavours impossible to deal with...
there's no such thing as swear words unless you also support a class system. swear words or vulgar language was derivied from the class seperation which had those in the upper classes seeking to dissaccocated themselves from other classes by attempts to control words in common venacular. This comes from the overtly xtain base of swear words, citing the though shall not swear from the bible to give siginifcant dogmatic gravitas to the subject.
however it's a direct misquote and a misinterpreatation of the idea of swearing: I swear on the grave of my father, by my eyes etc. not sexually refferenceable or suggestable wordings.
ergo any one who attempts to prevent the use of common vencaular when in discussion is attempting to introduce a class dynamic to the disscussion by way of supressing dessenting viewpoints to their own.
i reject wholley your notions of class based prejudices and state clearly this isn't an acceptable line of deabte. period.
those who wish to express themselves do so on their level not on your subjgated demanded or even wished level.
as any adult knows you cannot dictate the terms of one persons social interaction with you any more than you can limit what they say. Adults tend to let that which they find minor to wash over them as letting things which are not really important slide is frankly also an exculsive of adult conversation.
common venacular is in this catigory.....
every time.
as for the acutal viewpoint epspouse if you can think of something ore offensive to humanities longeigty than bringin and unloved unwanted uneeded and potentially short lived person into the world whilst at the same time denying the rights of the one section of our society who are able to give life force to humanity as though it were a descion of property or ownership is someone far to unevolved to be allowed to maintain their stance without challenge.
that's offensive. you would summarly hold women hostage and force them to submit to your will in order to allow your beliefs to proper...
take a long hard look in the mirror, then you will be eye to eye with the subject of that which causes you greatest offense and ironically that which causes the greatest offence to your larger sperices....
pro lifers are always unevolved mentally, emotionally, physically and should for the sake of all humanity be wiped permently off the face of the world for praciticing their control fantasies out on others...
GarfieldLeChat
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also if it were 2 pro lifers stabbing in stokie there'd be a party... i'd be holding it...
Not always. Sometimes it's means they have just had enough of trying to reason with fuckwits who flatly refuse anything which does not accord with their own prejudice/stereotype/delusion of choice ...
Gixxer1000
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