Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

[krtek a houby]

Labour needs to court the votes of those at the demonstration, not tell them they are a bunch of cunts.

I don't believe being nice to them is going to sway it much. Thing is, imho, no matter how much you try and persuade people that they might be wrong, the hardcore are still going to believe what they believe. No matter what kind of evidence you present them with.

There's a hatred out there and the far right have harnessed it. I hope it's just a flash in the pan but these movements have a habit of expanding when left unchecked or the opposition is too busy infighting.

I'm alternating between laughing at the sad fascist fucks and being concerend over history repeating itself

 

[bimble]

Is there a simple answer to how come this was nothing like the usual situation when there’s about 7 of them surrounded by counter protestors?

 

[krtek a houby]

Is there a simple answer to how come this was nothing like the usual situation when there’s about 7 of them surrounded by counter protestors?

It's the zeitgeist. When something becomes this strong and big, with not just hardcore but ordinary folk latching on out of, what, desperation, it's less easy to control. For some people, maybe many, "Tommy" is speaking their language. They can relate to what he's saying - even if it is a load of malicious bollocks.

 

[LDC]

Is there a simple answer to how come this was nothing like the usual situation when there’s about 7 of them surrounded by counter protestors?

Did you see many of the earlier EDL demos? Many of them were much bigger than 7 of them! (Not saying this is the same thing, but it's a second cousin to them.)

 

[Sweet FA]

some proper hysterics going on about yesterday, mostly from fringe "radical" elements far detached from the normal left and working class. A messy anti-jihad anti-pedo riot on a non-match day does not alone herald a Far Right breakthrough: Tommy Robinson is the problem, but for now a one-man problem: we need our own Tommy or Tommies. But beyond that, what can we say about a relatively diverse (race and gender) event with a misguided premise (that Tommy has been "silenced" over pedo's)? - or is the left suddenly going to condemn people for attacking the police to make an unrelated poltical point?

 

[Shechemite]

These mostly middle class people are malleable. Most of them have no politics to speak of.
I saw one coming out of Asda recently who actually had a t-shirt on that said 'Lower Middle Class Hero'.* Which I thought was kind of brave, if commercially determined and inevitable. He had a big beard, and was a bit fat. 'All is well with the world,' I thought.

*It speaks for itself.

Hipsters generally a well-fed bunch. Tells us all we need to do about the fuckers

 

[polly]

There's Free Tommy graffiti on a junction near my house. I'm thinking I'll paint bomb it. Any better suggestions welcomed. I'm probably going tonight. These cunts

 

[treelover]

Yugoslavia in the 1990s is probably a closer comparison. Footballs clubs becoming a phalanx of shock troops for atavistic figures cloaking nationalism in the language of rights.

Frightening to think of an UK Arkan and his firm being unleashed on his victims with no constraints, luckily we are nowhere near that situation.

 

[treelover]

Big one-off demos and the wider 'culture war' (to use a vile phrase) is one thing, if they start organizing on a more local level in the style of Golden Dawn we might have real problems.

yes, maybe they will attract more than ten people(inc the organisers) who attended a meeting on the social care crisis last year.

 

[treelover]

That has a precedent.

Gramsci?

 

[teqniq]

Hitler, as any fule no.

 

[LDC]

There's Free Tommy graffiti on a junction near my house. I'm thinking I'll paint bomb it. Any better suggestions welcomed. I'm probably going tonight. These cunts

The classic is adding "...with every purchase" afterwards.

 

[treelover]

Hipsters generally a well-fed bunch. Tells us all we need to do about the fuckers

most of the people i know from the RTS days(it was hip once, fashion shoots, etc) are very well fed, housed, now receiving their inheritances, etc, also allows the Manchilds amongst them (who were common) to act out their fantasies.

this is my area, not sure about others.

 

[treelover]

Hitler, as any fule no.

yes, I know, but Robinson is trying to create a cultural hegemony, Bannon is a fan of Gramsci.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

There's Free Tommy graffiti on a junction near my house. I'm thinking I'll paint bomb it. Any better suggestions welcomed. I'm probably going tonight. These cunts

Add a bit on the end, “To keep the padeos out of jail”

 

[Raheem]

Hitler, as any fule no.

I was thinking of Jonathan King, but yes that works too.

 

[polly]

The classic is adding "...with every purchase" afterwards.

Add a bit on the end, “To keep the padeos out of jail”

Thanks I don't think I have space to add words and it's on a really busy junction so I think the simpler the better. But these could be good if I have the stones to hang around long enough.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hitler, as any fule no.

As I made clear in my post on the subject about five pages back

 

[Pickman's model]

The classic is adding "...with every purchase" afterwards.

While stocks last

 

[teqniq]

As I made clear in my post on the subject about five pages back

Ah apologies. I haven't read that far back.

 

[krtek a houby]

Thanks I don't think I have space to add words and it's on a really busy junction so I think the simpler the better. But these could be good if I have the stones to hang around long enough.

Maybe change the FREE TOMMY to FREEDOM with a few well-placed strokes and painting out the MY at the end. Failing that, add COOPER at the end, to confuse people in a sly nod to the immortality of Britain's much missed comedic genius.

 

[Pickman's model]

Expect rather more arrests at any subsequent demos in london

 

[not-bono-ever]

Expect rather more arrests at any subsequent demos in london

and that is where it becomes pivotal- i am waiting for the tommy cruxifiction show to fade into the distance for the organisers- they know they have a valuable and recieptive audience here- it doesnt take much for a refining and recofusing of aims to widen the appeal. An vocal anti muslim diatrabe core is limited in its future development- a tweaking to bring in other issues that are not as openly racist could turn their support up to 11. A march, say, to support the NHS, that involves arrests would have huge politcal capital. TBH, I am suroised that they have stuck to the child abuse/ muslim path for so long- plenty pf other causes to carpetbag out there that would appeal to the disaffected former labour voter bloc that have no loyalty to the party any longer.

 

[planetgeli]

Add a bit on the end, “To keep the padeos out of jail”

“Pedo’s”

For authenticity.

 

[Red Sky]

Is there a simple answer to how come this was nothing like the usual situation when there’s about 7 of them surrounded by counter protestors?

Because that's not the usual situation

 

[Magnus McGinty]

and that is where it becomes pivotal- i am waiting for the tommy cruxifiction show to fade into the distance for the organisers- they know they have a valuable and recieptive audience here- it doesnt take much for a refining and recofusing of aims to widen the appeal. An vocal anti muslim diatrabe core is limited in its future development- a tweaking to bring in other issues that are not as openly racist could turn their support up to 11. A march, say, to support the NHS, that involves arrests would have huge politcal capital. TBH, I am suroised that they have stuck to the child abuse/ muslim path for so long- plenty pf other causes to carpetbag out there that would appeal to the disaffected former labour voter bloc that have no loyalty to the party any longer.

It’s actually a weak point of theirs that they’re simply about the ‘Islamification’ of the U.K. Why would they start on about the NHS? The bombings and the grooming cases have played right into their hands but beyond that they have nothing else.

E2a: Unless they play off underfunding against immigrants/foreign aid etc. But the right often disagree with socialised health care.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Thanks I don't think I have space to add words and it's on a really busy junction so I think the simpler the better. But these could be good if I have the stones to hang around long enough.

There's also the debate style annotation, just writing underneath "no, he's a cunt".

 

[LDC]

It’s actually a weak point of theirs that they’re simply about the ‘Islamification’ of the U.K. Why would they start on about the NHS? The bombings and the grooming cases have played right into their hands but beyond that they have nothing else.

E2a: Unless they play off underfunding against immigrants/foreign aid etc. But the right often disagree with socialised health care.

I dunno, from what I saw/heard a sizeable chunk of the motivating factor for some of the wider EDL crowd was a general petty nationalist anger at the government for the Iraq War and 'betrayal' of squaddies for the lies that took Britain to war. (Of course all mixed up with a whole host of racism and xenophobia.)

I can easily imagine they could make a sideways jump to a defend the NHS along 'against health tourism' and being ruined by both the State and scroungers/immigrants line.

I think the problem is that this isn't a classic right wing thing here, it's quite patriotic and nationalist but it at least makes noises about being anti-racist and pro-'normal folks' and against elites. I think if they could harness some anti-elite feelings (which they're not doing too badly at so far), anger at the State (left and right), defence of 'British values' like free speech and democracy, all thrown in with some underdog/we're not being listened memes it could be something with a much wider appeal and so a much harder thing to counter.

But yeah, if they stick with the 'Islamification' thing it'll have a short life and probably implode in squabbles, lager, and a lack of strategy more than it being about anything we do. But if it broadens out, gets some good direction, and has a bit of luck with timings and other events... hmmm...

E2A: More thinking aloud than addressed to your post Magnus.

 

[existentialist]

There's Free Tommy graffiti on a junction near my house. I'm thinking I'll paint bomb it. Any better suggestions welcomed. I'm probably going tonight. These cunts

"...with every 30 litres of fuel". Go traditional.

ETA. Oh. Not as original as I thought.

 

[treelover]

Making tv documentaries about fascism and visiting places like Belsen and Dachau I was left wondering what sort oh inhuman creatures ran these places and who were willing to shoot people standing on the edges of their own mass grave? I thought, naively, that having seen such consequences of racism and far right intolerance, that such inhuman people would never be seen again in a civlized society. I was wrong, they turned up in London yesterday.

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