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Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'

treelover said:
So what should be the response, the twin pillars of UAF/SUTR are getting nowhere.

of course, i know you are not a supporter, but these are the most prominent, provide resources, etc.
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I wish I had an easy short term answer. I don't. These are bigger trends from the break up of the centre.....Brexit day is coming and odds are it will be a soft fudge which could be a new source of tension. Stephen what's his name will be out around the same time too.... Who knows.

The far right usually do a good job of destroying themselves so there's always that to hope for. The current crop are good at getting themselves arrested it seems.
 
ska invita said:
That's true of course, but I think it's clear that its still football hooli types in the front ranks and that will always be a barrier to wider public acceptance.... I'd imagine the strategists behind the scenes are a bit disappointed at the level of agro - it doesn't really chime with their fake repositioning - though the violence has forced coverage of the day I guess. If a UK far right formation manages to get discipline into its ranks any time soon then I think it really could go to another level.
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I think discipline is what they've been after for a long time. Their problem is that that really requires building things slowly and it's very difficult for them to work around the fact that the majority of people who they will attract are not about patience, particularly since being openly about intellectual neo-fascism is a dead end nowadays. So I think the consolation is that they may be destined to go round in circles, reboot after reboot, without ever getting the movement they want.

On the other hand, I think it's possible to overestimate how damaging these types of scenes are. A lot of people won't be aware, and a lot of other people will think they have a right to be angry. The real problem now, IMO, is that their propaganda pulls in worldwide resources. And we live in a world where it merely raises eyebrows momentarily when a Nazi drives a car into a crowd of people and the US president equivocates about it.
 
Threshers_Flail said:
Thousands of fash marching in London and the left are stuck up the cul-de-sac of parliamentary (Corbyn) politics and gammon.
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No affinity myself with Corbyn's alliance of desperate old Trots and Stals, Muslim ideologues and black seperatist careerists, hipsters who have for now rejected the alt-right (towards where a good number of them have always been heading), conspiracy theorist Occupy refugees and nostalgists for a 'real' Labour Party that didn't really exist anyway, but what do you want? A toothless left that spends all its time trying to thwart a toothless right that ultimately offers little or nothing but repetitive street demonstrations and social media windup, while real politics (ie those engaged in really deciding where we're going) actually determines what's going to happen?

The left that's gone over to Corbyn offers a fantasy of a Labour government with a difference. The isolated 'other' left offers nothing to anybody. With the exception of a few yet more isolated examples that concentrate on class, they have literally nothing to say except on the type of cultural politics that 'the system' in itself can easily absorb-and indeed promotes anyway.
 
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The hipsters i saw at PITP, where cheering en masse when the singer from Mango Rescue Team(apparently recently naturalised) was shouting "immigrants are great, we want more"

hardly alt right behaviour
 
treelover said:
The hipsters i saw at PITP, where cheering en masse when the singer from Mango Rescue Team(apparently recently naturalised) was saying "immigrants are great, we want more"

hardly alt right behaviour
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These mostly middle class people are malleable. Most of them have no politics to speak of.
I saw one coming out of Asda recently who actually had a t-shirt on that said 'Lower Middle Class Hero'.* Which I thought was kind of brave, if commercially determined and inevitable. He had a big beard, and was a bit fat. 'All is well with the world,' I thought.

*It speaks for itself.
 
Any news about Catford !
Did any of these drunken thugs head south of the river for Ann Marie Waters/For Britain Hustings ?
 
Nigel said:
Any news about Catford !
Did any of these drunken thugs head south of the river for Ann Marie Waters/For Britain Hustings ?
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Personally can't say. But if they did, it would mean that Anne-Marie had some drunken thugs in her audience.
 
RD2003 said:
Personally can't say. But if they did, it would mean that Anne-Marie had some drunken thugs in her audience.
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There were, fears of attacks & abuse of 'Muslims' in that area, local Mosque and counter demonstration !
 
what does naked bike riders go to do with socialism

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Get rid of the Union and you take down one of their planks. Take back the English flag from these pricks and don't let them dictate the future of English nationalism.
 
The39thStep said:
Change 'nationalism' for populism and I think you'll find that its not only alive and well in the EU but swiftly moving into the mainstream.
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I guess with that in mind, "Tommy" and his supporters really must feel that this is their "moment". That he's a proper, authentic voice of the disenfranchised.
 
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