Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at free tommy. A colleague /Facebook friend is right into it.
But would I approve of it whoever the guilty person was? One judge gets to decide. Aamer Anwar got off on the say-so of one person. It'd be a touching faith in our legal system to say that the process is a fair one.There was a court process. The ordinary one for cases of this kind.
But would I approve of it whoever the guilty person was? One judge gets to decide. Aamer Anwar got off on the say-so of one person. It'd be a touching faith in our legal system to say that the process is a fair one.
The gagging order on The Guardian in the Trifigura story was legal. They weren't allowed to even mention that there was one, or that it was being debated in Parliament. That was a court process too.
It involves some mental somersaults to back a bourgeois court system on one occasion and be against it on others. It's not impossible, I think I can manage it, but it's difficult to explain to people.
I agree. But that's not what you claimed, initially. You said "locked up without a court process". He wasn't; he was subject to the usual process in that situation. To imply otherwise is to play into his narrative of martyrdom. We shouldn't confuse criticism of the process generally with the specifics of its application in his case. Pointing out that the lie that bourgeois court treated him differently need not imply any support for that court.
I don't think you need to back it just recognise sometimes it jails innocent people and sometimes it doesn't.It involves some mental somersaults to back a bourgeois court system on one occasion and be against it on others. It's not impossible, I think I can manage it, but it's difficult to explain to people.
Never make Facebook friends with colleagues! Surely this is a cardinal rule?a colleague /Facebook friend is right into it.
Its only a viable position if the aim is to tread water.After that its lets hope it all dies down , the problem goes away and we can get back to bash the fash. Problem is ,to quote Hunter S Thompson, 'once the toothpaste has been squeezed out its kinda hard to get back in'
Urmm he pled guilty. You don't normally get much of a trial when you do that.I see what you mean. There was 'a court process'. I should have said something like 'what people would recognise as a trial with all the trimmings'.
I see what you mean. There was 'a court process'. I should have said something like 'what people would recognise as a trial with all the trimmings'.
Geert Wilders is going to be at this one - he has apparently got into the country and is on his way there.There’s also one planned for tomorrow on Whitehall, after Trooping the Colour.
OK - I take this back to an extent. I think I underestimated how much TR's arrest and "martyrdom" would bring back a good chunk of the FLA who'd been drifting away as it got more political. It's a straightforward non-party message; TR has been locked up for telling the truth about paedos by the corrupt and biased establishment who don't care about our kids. It's also definitely got money and organisation going into promoting and organising it. The same people who did the "free speech" thing a few weeks ago in the same place were running things, and there were lots of placards and stickers made by peoplescharter dot org who I'm not familiar with but will be doing some research on. Generation Identity were there though not many of them.I do tbh. Anything focused on TR is going to draw mostly to all fash. The FLA connection is a distraction - it’s not like the first couple of FLA marches (which were definitely not all or even mostly far right, though had a lot of far right speakers). A key point made by a lot of people was “we don’t want to turn into the EDL mk 2” and now it has, the constituency has changed as you can see by the numbers.
There's definitely a lot more proper organising going on now as well as collaboration between groups. It's streets ahead of the old EDL stuff. I think it's quite specific to some headline events though... it seems that there are still plenty of marches and demos that are just thrown together and are a mess.Seriously organised this lot.
OK - I take this back to an extent. I think I underestimated how much TR's arrest and "martyrdom" would bring back a good chunk of the FLA who'd been drifting away as it got more political. It's a straightforward non-party message; TR has been locked up for telling the truth about paedos by the corrupt and biased establishment who don't care about our kids. It's also definitely got money and organisation going into promoting and organising it. The same people who did the "free speech" thing a few weeks ago in the same place were running things, and there were lots of placards and stickers made by peoplescharter dot org who I'm not familiar with but will be doing some research on. Generation Identity were there though not many of them.
The consequence of this is that there were a _lot_ more people than at the "free speech" thing, due to the FLA turnout - 10-20K easily I'd guess. Counter-protests: a few hundred SUTR folk at the Parliament Square end kept well away behind barricades by the cops.
One thing that occurred to me several times was that you're going to get nowhere here with an argument about TR being in contempt of court and on a suspended sentence and reporting restrictions blah blah. People think the system is corrupt and they don't give a shit about any of that. A lot were openly hostile to the police, shouting abuse in their faces, and at Downing Street apparently some were throwing things to the extent that the organisers had to go on the PA and try to get them to stop. ("This is how they want to portray you, don't give them the excuse!")
Some, yeah. Not so much younger kids as teenagers I'd say; older people as well. This is fairly consistent with my experience of the FLA march I was at.Friends saying there are lots of young people and families in attendance.
It was a lefty TU thing from 2009, but wound up. I guess someone bought its old domain name and trades on it.Pretty sure People's Charter was set up several years ago as quite a progressive thing. Perhaps it got ran into the ground and subesequently hijacked.
It was a lefty TU thing from 2009, but wound up. I guess someone bought its old domain name and trades on it.
Looks like it kicked off in Whitehall, pictures of filth with cuts and so on. Looking at Robinson’s support it very much fits the description of him as Professional Gammon Herder.
I see what you mean. There was 'a court process'. I should have said something like 'what people would recognise as a trial with all the trimmings'.