Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at free tommy. A colleague /Facebook friend is right into it. 
Tommy Robinson, the court case and (guffaw) 'free speech'
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But would I approve of it whoever the guilty person was? One judge gets to decide. Aamer Anwar got off on the say-so of one person. It'd be a touching faith in our legal system to say that the process is a fair one.
The gagging order on The Guardian in the Trifigura story was legal. They weren't allowed to even mention that there was one, or that it was being debated in Parliament. That was a court process too.
It involves some mental somersaults to back a bourgeois court system on one occasion and be against it on others. It's not impossible, I think I can manage it, but it's difficult to explain to people.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I agree. But that's not what you claimed, initially. You said "locked up without a court process". He wasn't; he was subject to the usual process in that situation. To imply otherwise is to play into his narrative of martyrdom. We shouldn't confuse criticism of the process generally with the specifics of its application in his case. Pointing out that the lie that bourgeois court treated him differently need not imply any support for that court.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Maybe he'll use the time inside to write a book, perhaps entitled 'my struggle'
I see what you mean. There was 'a court process'. I should have said something like 'what people would recognise as a trial with all the trimmings'.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't think you need to back it just recognise sometimes it jails innocent people and sometimes it doesn't.
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Never make Facebook friends with colleagues! Surely this is a cardinal rule?a colleague /Facebook friend is right into it.
I more meant in comparison to the current efforts but yeah I agree.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Urmm he pled guilty. You don't normally get much of a trial when you do that.
Athos
Well-Known Member
He admitted his guilt. There was no case to try!
Sounds like Tommy's supporters listened to the police and were reasonable. They know how to play the game.
Fuck me, protest in Auckland. Wonder how many the Trooping the Colour protest will get.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Geert Wilders is going to be at this one - he has apparently got into the country and is on his way there.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
OK - I take this back to an extent. I think I underestimated how much TR's arrest and "martyrdom" would bring back a good chunk of the FLA who'd been drifting away as it got more political. It's a straightforward non-party message; TR has been locked up for telling the truth about paedos by the corrupt and biased establishment who don't care about our kids. It's also definitely got money and organisation going into promoting and organising it. The same people who did the "free speech" thing a few weeks ago in the same place were running things, and there were lots of placards and stickers made by peoplescharter dot org who I'm not familiar with but will be doing some research on. Generation Identity were there though not many of them.
The consequence of this is that there were a _lot_ more people than at the "free speech" thing, due to the FLA turnout - 10-20K easily I'd guess. Counter-protests: a few hundred SUTR folk at the Parliament Square end kept well away behind barricades by the cops.
One thing that occurred to me several times was that you're going to get nowhere here with an argument about TR being in contempt of court and on a suspended sentence and reporting restrictions blah blah. People think the system is corrupt and they don't give a shit about any of that. A lot were openly hostile to the police, shouting abuse in their faces, and at Downing Street apparently some were throwing things to the extent that the organisers had to go on the PA and try to get them to stop. ("This is how they want to portray you, don't give them the excuse!")
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
There's definitely a lot more proper organising going on now as well as collaboration between groups. It's streets ahead of the old EDL stuff. I think it's quite specific to some headline events though... it seems that there are still plenty of marches and demos that are just thrown together and are a mess.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I didn't stay much past 3 btw. Life's too short to be stuck in a crowd of Tommy Robinson supporters listening to arseholes giving speeches. I don't even stay for the speeches when they're by people I agree with.
ska invita
back on the other side
Friends saying there are lots of young people and families in attendance.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Indeed, though of course it perhaps should be pointed out that almost all of the targets they've been riled up about - paedos, "the corrupt system", the cops, Muslims, "free speech", Corbyn, immigrants etc - are the ones that the papers that most of the country reads (and still to a very large extent believes) and politicians those papers support have been banging on about for years. The likes of Hopkins, Farage, Robinson and the rest have been given column inches for god knows how long, they've been national news, they've made their living coming up with nonsense and they've been given platforms with which to spread their message in ways that are not challenged. These are not people who have been on the outside of anything.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Some, yeah. Not so much younger kids as teenagers I'd say; older people as well. This is fairly consistent with my experience of the FLA march I was at.
Oh and somebody hired a bus which was a bit odd. I only saw it as I was leaving - it was driving down towards Trafalgar Square, with people on the top waving paedos/free tommy banners.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Pretty sure People's Charter was set up several years ago as quite a progressive thing. Perhaps it got ran into the ground and subesequently hijacked.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It was a lefty TU thing from 2009, but wound up. I guess someone bought its old domain name and trades on it.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
Another vacuum filled
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Has anyone mentioned that maybe Tommy and supporters want the trial to fail? Then they can go 'waaaaahhhh, state letting muslim paedos go free' and have an excuse to kick off? 
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Looks like it kicked off in Whitehall, pictures of filth with cuts and so on. Looking at Robinson’s support it very much fits the description of him as Professional Gammon Herder.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ska invita
back on the other side
Football season is over, no games today, would've helped the turn out I suppose
Threshers_Flail
Well-Known Member
Thousands of fash marching in London and the left are stuck up the cul-de-sac of parliamentary (Corbyn) politics and gammon.
bemused
Well-Known Member
Why would he need a trail? He pleaded guilty.
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