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to those raised in religious household, did you actually find hell scary?

Erm, I'm pretty sure that Batman and Superman *have* teamed up to fight crime. Justice League anyone?

Of course they have - and it's an illogical story. That's the point.

A guy with superpowers that enable him to fly through space and lift the world, needs to team up with a guy who's really good at kung fu and swinging on ropes?
 
I've recently been reading about the Gnostic Christians who broke from the mainstream church back in the second and third centuries.

They apparently adapted the Genesis story so that the god of the old testament was actually a malevolent, lesser god who tricked humans into thinking he was the real one.

They have some awesome stories filling in various gaps in the Bible. It's like a bunch of crazy sci-fi fanatics invented a time machine and went back in time to start a religious sect.

L. Ron Hubbard's attempt reads like a car manual compared to what the Gnostics wrote.
Not quite right to say they were a break from mainstream church as a)there was no mainstream church or orthodoxy to be maintained at that point - despite some early church fathers and churches attempts - the gnostics were part of a huge range of competing churches and positions b) there were many sorts of gnostics and gnosticisms (and many many other now-cracked sounding early christianities that were further out to lunch and c) they weren't really christians - instead being a mixture of nearly all the beliefs common in that time and in that period.

They were really like today's bourgeois believers in spiritualism and pick and mix rubbish.
 
NoXion If the story was structured more logically, so that Satan encourages his guests to sinfulness by hosting a non stop orgy down there - instead of inexplicably doing god's work by torturing his guests with red hot pokers or whatever - then surely there'd be a different problem as hell becomes a much more attractive place to hang out for all eternity than the never-ending boredom of heaven.
 
Of course they have - and it's an illogical story. That's the point.

A guy with superpowers that enable him to fly through space and lift the world, needs to team up with a guy who's really good at kung fu and swinging on ropes?
I don't think Superman has the ability to be in multiple places at once, so on that basis alone it makes sense for him to team up with Bats. Plus I always thought that Batman's "power" was in being crazy prepared, and never going against a foe without having at least some kind of knowledge of what he's facing. Superman isn't stupid, but he's powerful enough to bulldoze his way through most challenges, whereas Batman has to rely a lot more on his wits. Point being, comic book characters are a hell of a lot more consistent than you seem to be giving credit for. The people who write stories for them as well as the people who read about them all tend to be massive fucking nerds, and if there is one things nerds are good at and love doing, it's picking at logical inconsistencies involving beloved characters. Whereas theology is not so much about telling a coherent and engaging story than it is about other things.
 
I had no religious upbringing, being raised in a Church of England household. Went to church, but don't recall much apart from old ladies who smelled of lavender and the Reverend with halitosis. Hell was never mentioned. Heaven was where you met dead relatives once again.
 
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I remember (hmm, when I was around 12/13, before I gave up on the stuff) being scared of not garnering allah's approval, like kind of stockholm syndrome shit, but I never found the idea of hell to actually be scary. I thought I was sinful and bad, but the idea of burning in eternal damnation didn't scare me, I just thought I had a flawed character.

People talk about how mundane heaven is in the abrahamic faiths, but actually hell (flippantly perhaps) just reads like internet hardman to me. and thats not even going into the historicity of the concept.

I mean so many people around me are actually scared of this shit and I'm like, yeah even if the qur'an/bible is the inerrant word of the absolute, i still don't find hell that tormenting, if anything given that the majority of people I know probably won't achieve the kingdom of God, heaven sounds more like my idea of torture. am i missing some great eureka moment here or what?

or am i just :mad:

Never really thought about it to be honest, didn't sound like fun but then neither does heaven.
 
Yeah, anything after I start really dying in earnest (I mean rather than that philosophical begins the day you're born type dying) I'm not really looking forward to.
 
An early warning about the dangers of feminism...

This lady too I reckon...

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ETA: Let me explain, according to legend Medusa was raped by Poseiden in Athenas temple- Athena got pissed off at Medusa for some reason and turned Medusas hair into snakes and made it so any man that looked at her face would instantly turn to stone.

But there's another way of looking at this...

Shocked and horrified at what happened to Medusa and concerned for her future welfare, Athena turned Medusas hair into snakes and gave her the power to turn blokes into stone so that no man would mess with her again... she'd be able to take care of herself from now on. Gotta admit it beats pepper spray.

Dunno if that counts as feminism, or female solidarity, or just being militantly anti-rape but... yeah, I reckon that's what really happened. Knows what she's doing that Athena, goddess of wisdom init, and a good heart.

so not really a warning about feminism at all... just an early example of practical self defence for women in ancient Greek mythology. Carry on.
 
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