Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
I suggested earlier in the thread that they could put a battery-powered screw on it to get to the surface and then a balloon when it gets to the surface to hold it there.
Titanic tourist sub missing
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I suggested earlier in the thread that they could put a battery-powered screw on it to get to the surface and then a balloon when it gets to the surface to hold it there.
This is even more insane. I mean. A playstation controller?
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Titanic sub is like a 'kit car built from Amazon parts'
Former UK admiral Chris Parry described the small craft, named Titan, as 'very flimsy and fragile' - as a journalist who sat inside claimed has lights from a camping shop.
Imagine if it was as simple as they’d forgotten to recharge it. That would definitely have happened if my kid was the skipper…
Yuwipi Woman
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This is even more insane. I mean. A playstation controller?
Titanic sub is like a 'kit car built from Amazon parts'
Former UK admiral Chris Parry described the small craft, named Titan, as 'very flimsy and fragile' - as a journalist who sat inside claimed has lights from a camping shop.
TBF, playstation controllers have millions of hours of testing behind them.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Oh come on. This is the thread where you're supposed to make up any old shit to suit your prejudices nand expect it to go unchallenged.
JimW
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They probably took the 19 year old along to mash the buttons and swear obscurely into a headset.
Well no because that would spoil the zen like simplicity of it being just like an elevator with one button- down
WouldBe
Dislicksick
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Hope he's not tried to run wow on it.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Have they checked the batteries in the Xbox controller?
Wouldn't it just be so embarrassing if the batteries went out of the controller, and they didn't bring along spares?
Cid
Proper break this time
It's not actually a playstation controller, it's a budget logitech one. Logitech are... fine... But nothing great, and their lower end stuff can be properly shit.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But clearly issues with the 'up' one
Cid
Proper break this time
Own your own piece of history:
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
It has a toilet. Someone just needs to land a massive floater and up they pop.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Although around 99.9999999% of that testing involved controlling playstations, not submersibles
Have they checked the batteries in the Xbox controller?
Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
If that Xbox controller is the primary mode of control and it's not some marketing BS, then never mind its reliability. If it gets knocked out of the pilot's hands, it is going to be very hard to see in those low light conditions in the sub and with those long extensions to the thumbpads, it is 100% going to give an input if it falls any way than straight on it's back.
The whole thing is crazy.
The whole thing is crazy.
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Starry Wisdom
Raheem
Well-Known Member
But they're designed for a short life where if they go wrong you only die in Minecraft. I think gaming controllers are actually pretty notorious for not lasting.
The operators seem to have made a virtue out of using components from DIY stores and eBay. Hilarious trolling of the so-called professionals, until now.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
When we were designing and fielding our unmanned deep sea landers, the "loss rate" in this field was considered to be around 50% - ie every other cruise, we could expect to lose at least one complete lander.
After more than a decade of doing this, we were considered amongst the best in the business because our loss rate was closer to 25%, although that did include a couple of cruises where nothing returned at all and one where we "claimed" a US navy vessel!
The most common cause of failure/loss was a failure in the communication systems that brought the landers back to the surface and signalled to the support ship where to come and pick them-up. Ocean currents at different depths can bring-up vehicles a significant distance from where they went down/you might expect to find them. Cold/pressure at those depths is very hard on electronics and batteries.
With even that loss rate, there is no way I would consider going as a passenger on one of those vehicles - Remote cameras all the way!
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Starry Wisdom
Should have called it tincan not titan
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This super-technical appraisal comes to you by Storm Fox ... off the internet.
JimW
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Verticle?! The age of the sub editor has sadly passed.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
My dad was working in Cammell Laird shipyard when that happened. He wasn't overly fond of the Admiralty.
not-bono-ever
meh
They are dead.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So they have 40 hours of oxygen left. I wonder how many people that's split between now
Well if any of them are alive, they should all be, unless you think some have killed others.
urbanspaceman
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Titan is a ridiculously under-engineered piece of amateurish junk. I expect that it has suffered complete electrical failure (judging pictures showing a lot of electrical boxes and connecting cable all over the outside of the hull) or hull failure at a joining point between materials with different expansion/mechanical behaviours (window-to-hull, or titanium hemisphere-to-carbon fibre hull).
Still even a few minutes thought by me, a rusty engineer and amateur diver, can devise a reasonable-chance-of-survival safety system:
1) An automatic timer starts at the beginning of the dive.
2) After say 5 hours (nominal mission duration) the timer triggers inflation of one or more heavy duty lift bags fitted to the upper surface of the vessel. There is a problem: the pressure at Titanic depth is 400 bar, but even the best pressure rated diving cylinders at rated at 250-300 bar. In other words, if you opened such a cylinder at Titanic depth, water would rush into it. But there is a workaround: salvage some carbon fibre hydrogen cylinders (rated at 700 bar) from a Toyota Mirai and fill them with cheap and non-flammable nitrogen.
3) The vessel would hurtle upwards, and the expanding nitrogen would spill out of the open bottom of the bag, as is normal lifting bag procedure.
4) Approaching the surface, a depth gauge/actuator would release one or more ERIRBs (Emergency position-indicating radiobeacon) tethered to the vessel.
5) The vessel is designed to float just beneath the surface. So finally, a set of closed flotation bags would be activated, acting as a sort of collar, bringing the vessel securely to the surface.
The final problem is that there is no way of getting out from the inside, which is a terrible design choice. I would redesign, allowing the hatch bolts to be undone from either inside or outside.
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Still even a few minutes thought by me, a rusty engineer and amateur diver, can devise a reasonable-chance-of-survival safety system:
1) An automatic timer starts at the beginning of the dive.
2) After say 5 hours (nominal mission duration) the timer triggers inflation of one or more heavy duty lift bags fitted to the upper surface of the vessel. There is a problem: the pressure at Titanic depth is 400 bar, but even the best pressure rated diving cylinders at rated at 250-300 bar. In other words, if you opened such a cylinder at Titanic depth, water would rush into it. But there is a workaround: salvage some carbon fibre hydrogen cylinders (rated at 700 bar) from a Toyota Mirai and fill them with cheap and non-flammable nitrogen.
3) The vessel would hurtle upwards, and the expanding nitrogen would spill out of the open bottom of the bag, as is normal lifting bag procedure.
4) Approaching the surface, a depth gauge/actuator would release one or more ERIRBs (Emergency position-indicating radiobeacon) tethered to the vessel.
5) The vessel is designed to float just beneath the surface. So finally, a set of closed flotation bags would be activated, acting as a sort of collar, bringing the vessel securely to the surface.
The final problem is that there is no way of getting out from the inside, which is a terrible design choice. I would redesign, allowing the hatch bolts to be undone from either inside or outside.
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