DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
because Prop is a fool despite his bizznis man attitude. Marlo is a shark, pure and simple
The Wire comes to BBC2 (Spoiler free, please)
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because Prop is a fool despite his bizznis man attitude. Marlo is a shark, pure and simple
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Marlo didn't specify to Joe who was requesting the clean money, although Joe probably should have guessed (he thinks he's 'civilisin' Marlo, while Marlo is just absorbing all the knowledge and using it to circumvent Joe).
Love seeing Spiros again, the man's just so calm about everything (including basically telling Marlo to fuck off, although personally I wouldn't have
Shows the power of being the supplier very well)
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
some excellent chris-slim dialogue tonight.
Evil shit though, what they did to the blind man
Poor Butchie,hope Omar gets medievial on their asses
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
So the cutbacks at the Sun are not because the 'paper is losing money - Gus says news is making money, and the management don't ever talk of losses - it's just that more profit can be made by covering less with fewer staff.
A wide range of types of lies are expressed in this season, the druggie/prostitute lying to herself, Burrell lying about stats, McNulty creating a seriel killer, false attributions by the reporter - as Carcettis aide says "The whole world shines shit and calls it gold",
Fwiw, my pet theory about S5 traces back to the photocopier/lie detector scene at the beginning of the first hour. Two quotes clue us in:
Norris: "Americans are a stupid people by and large. We pretty much believe everything we're told"
Bunk: "The bigger the lie, the more they believe"
So what's the subtext, what big lie is DS addressing . . . perhaps too soon to tell at the moment.
A wide range of types of lies are expressed in this season, the druggie/prostitute lying to herself, Burrell lying about stats, McNulty creating a seriel killer, false attributions by the reporter - as Carcettis aide says "The whole world shines shit and calls it gold",
Fwiw, my pet theory about S5 traces back to the photocopier/lie detector scene at the beginning of the first hour. Two quotes clue us in:
Norris: "Americans are a stupid people by and large. We pretty much believe everything we're told"
Bunk: "The bigger the lie, the more they believe"
So what's the subtext, what big lie is DS addressing . . . perhaps too soon to tell at the moment.
El Sueno
Dabbler
Poor Butch. Like he told Omar at the end of S4; "You steal that much money and it aint over!" or something.
Am I right in thinking that when Chris and Snoop's play got a bit raggety and Butch clearly wasn't going to give up his man, they killed him in order to draw Omar out of hiding? Dangerous game they're playing with Omar. You don't fuck with his nearest and dearest.
edit: Loved Omar in his 'holiday' clothes & hat yesterday. But sad to see his quest for Honey Nut Flakes continues without any apparant light on the horizon.
Am I right in thinking that when Chris and Snoop's play got a bit raggety and Butch clearly wasn't going to give up his man, they killed him in order to draw Omar out of hiding? Dangerous game they're playing with Omar. You don't fuck with his nearest and dearest.
edit: Loved Omar in his 'holiday' clothes & hat yesterday. But sad to see his quest for Honey Nut Flakes continues without any apparant light on the horizon.
El Sueno
Dabbler
What's sad is that in that classic chess game scene in S1, all three of them (D'Angelo, Bodie, Wallace) are capped off before we even get to the final season.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
What's sad is that in that classic chess game scene in S1, all three of them (D'Angelo, Bodie, Wallace) are capped off before we even get to the final season.
Cos they is pawns yo'.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
One scene from last night really stuck with me, the short section showing Dukie, Michael and Bug at Six Flags.
It was almost jarring compared to the usual setting we see these kids in, and for a few brief moments they look just like any other boys having a day out.
Particularly when Dukie and Michael say goodbye to the cute girls and do a little hand-five, both clearly amazed at how little they had to do to impress them. The scene captured the possibility of a world beyond the small, dark place these boys inhabit daily.
And the show did it one minute. Depressing, and brilliant.
It was almost jarring compared to the usual setting we see these kids in, and for a few brief moments they look just like any other boys having a day out.
Particularly when Dukie and Michael say goodbye to the cute girls and do a little hand-five, both clearly amazed at how little they had to do to impress them. The scene captured the possibility of a world beyond the small, dark place these boys inhabit daily.
And the show did it one minute. Depressing, and brilliant.
El Sueno
Dabbler
Yeah that scene was beautiful, sunshine and smiles all round. Made me laugh that Dookie still had the stuffed toy they won under his arm when they arrived back at the corner. That didn't do his street-cred too much good in front of Marlo's boys.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Yeah that scene was beautiful, sunshine and smiles all round. Made me laugh that Dookie still had the stuffed toy they won under his arm when they arrived back at the corner. That didn't do his street-cred too much good in front of Marlo's boys.
I think the theme park scene was there to show that whilst some may think being a drug dealer is glamourous and whatever, it really is a shit life.
They had a lovely day out, chatting up girls, having fun - doing what teenagers should do, but arrive back in B-more tired and happy and the aggression and misery of the corner slaps them back to reality.
I hope Michael and Dookie get out of the game before its too late
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
And they are (around about) 15-year old boys deserted by their parents, not going to school - the system, or lack of a system, has allowed them to just disappear. Third World.
Randy doesn't, of course, have the income of Michael.
El Sueno
Dabbler
Pure conjecture at this point, so I don't think I need to spoiler it - but if I'm too close to the bone then feel free to cover this shit up... But I've got so many ideas spiralling in my head, right now I see this shaping up: Avon, who's Westside through and through, seems to be backing the 'new kid' Marlo and figures on them seeing off the Eastside niggas once and for all, freeing up for his New York connection to step in with supply. Prop Joe gets wind of Marlo trying to go around him, Omar come a lookin' for revenge and Joe gives him up without a second thought. But Marlo, being a clinical cunt, is probably one step ahead... Cue one almighty motherfucking battle, with Avon looking on from the inside, laughing to himself and reckoning on picking up the pieces when he gets out.
Hmmm. Probably wrong though, the one thing I fucking love about The Wire is that it always manages to surprise me.
edit: No wait, that doesn't make sense... what's the deal with Sergi giving up his connection, does Avon think he can muscle in on the aftermath if the co-op dissolves and still get that good shit straight off the boat?
Hmmm. Probably wrong though, the one thing I fucking love about The Wire is that it always manages to surprise me.
edit: No wait, that doesn't make sense... what's the deal with Sergi giving up his connection, does Avon think he can muscle in on the aftermath if the co-op dissolves and still get that good shit straight off the boat?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Whats funny is some Baltimore politician did the exact same thing when David Simon's the corner was published. Stood on a street corner with a copy of the book, announcing a "tough on crime" zero tolerance approach to Street dealing.
He was forced to admit later that no, he'd not actually read the book, because if he did he'd have known thats exactly type of police behaviour the Corner condemns.
Graylings an idiot, Bodymore was pleased to announce a drop in murders last year to just 238. Manchester a comparably sized city with some of the roughest neighbourhoods in the country had a murder rate of 49.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Good spot. There is a lot of emphasis on lying this series.
McNaulty lying about homeless deaths and back to lying to his girlfriend.
Inexperience reporter making up stories and reactions whilst his competant colleague is getting bought out. I'm suspecting that later on he's goes on to write a Pultizer nominated article that's subsquently proven to be fabricated.
Commisioner lying to the mayor.
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Funny seeing the kids running up to him last night whereas in Baltimore they tend to run away from him,surprised to see Mr.sensible himself Lester go along with McNulty's idea.
El Sueno
Dabbler
Yeah that surprised me too, but then again McNulty and Lester are peas in a pod in some respects. Both anti-authority in their own ways, both REAL PO-lice, both desperate to ring some bells and get some decent case-action going. McNulty's gone darrrrk. Bad enough he's screwing around, drinking all day and all night, but when Bunk steps back and says he wants no part of his crazy scheme, damn!
madamv
Oi! With the poodle already
I cant believe McNulty has gone backwards with his drinking and stuff... And Lester! Well, my face was the same as Bunks when he started agreeing with McNulty. Lester, I hope youre still Po-lice.... I think the russian (?) was afraid of Avon tbh, unless its some big set up...
Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
El Sueno
Dabbler
What I've come to realise (at least, I think this is the case) is that when they do their 'end of season musical montage', what we're seeing is a glimpse into the future, as opposed to a reflection on the past season. What confuses me is the ambiguity about how long has passed between the end of one season and the beginning of the next. Sometimes they allude that a whole year has gone by, like when McNulty was back on the street beat and bumped into Bodie & Carver at the start of S4. But sometimes, other events appear to continue without any break.
Anyways, I suggest that the story moves on quite a bit in the time between each season, so it's not quite so shocking to see the character developments appear slightly exaggerated due to the extended time-line.
Is anyone else confused by this, or have I missed something incredibly simple?!
Anyways, I suggest that the story moves on quite a bit in the time between each season, so it's not quite so shocking to see the character developments appear slightly exaggerated due to the extended time-line.
Is anyone else confused by this, or have I missed something incredibly simple?!
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Each season is one year after the last. There are plenty of chronological clues in there so I'm sure a detailed timeline could be constructed - I'm amazed there isn't one on the net already.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
We are getting them season after season whilst the small audience who watched them when they were on television originally had to wait 40 weeks after the last season finished until the start oif the new one.
Look at Dukie - he has certainly grown into him self between s4 and s5 - even his lips seem to fit now. he was a little boy at the start of s4 - all smelly and weird faced - looks more of a young man now.
El Sueno
Dabbler
I'm not sure those lips will ever fit his face, but he's certainly having a go bless him.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
First time around I guessed the 'Boys of Summer' are 15 at this point - just over two years since they tried to catch pigeons in a box and filled condoms with their own piss.
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