The Tuts make dubious allegations after Brixton Windmill gig
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I reckon he loses quite a bit of money from people bringing their own drink in. You only have to look in the loos and garden at the end of the night to see the bottles/cans hidden away, and the fact remains, it is a reasonably priced pub
Doesn't excuse his behaviour though
Doesn't excuse his behaviour though
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Shut up, you shit stirring hipster
Chilavert
Undermining strikes :-(
panglossian
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Hiya. Breaking it down:
- Taking an outside drink into a pub does not compare to physical violence. These things are on different scales. Surely this is obvious.
- the screenshots themselves are not what's weird. Taking the screenshots implies that you have an issue with the information given in them, but aren't willing to engage with their author yourselves. Why not? Is it because it makes you feel safer to poke fun at them away from Twitter? If you genuinely believe their content is invalid, why not point this out directly?
- it doesn't matter whether or not she 'sounds like an arsehole', physical violence is rarely (if ever) justifiable, this wasn't self-defence, and she is physically smaller and more vulnerable than him so it sure as hell wasn't in this case.
- the price of the drinks doesn't matter. Purchasing a drink for a higher price than £0.00 is tacitly supporting the venue and its owners. It's a symbolic condonement, as well as a financial one. I assume you all actually know this but are splitting hairs for whatever reason.
Several of the things said here make me think some of you want to present this as a simple overreaction. But if we as women (hell, if we as humans) don't feel safe within our own music/social scene (and several of us, including those who were present at the venue as well as those who have heard about it from witnesses, have said we do not) I think urging a boycott is a rational means of trying to protect ourselves and our friends.
- Taking an outside drink into a pub does not compare to physical violence. These things are on different scales. Surely this is obvious.
- the screenshots themselves are not what's weird. Taking the screenshots implies that you have an issue with the information given in them, but aren't willing to engage with their author yourselves. Why not? Is it because it makes you feel safer to poke fun at them away from Twitter? If you genuinely believe their content is invalid, why not point this out directly?
- it doesn't matter whether or not she 'sounds like an arsehole', physical violence is rarely (if ever) justifiable, this wasn't self-defence, and she is physically smaller and more vulnerable than him so it sure as hell wasn't in this case.
- the price of the drinks doesn't matter. Purchasing a drink for a higher price than £0.00 is tacitly supporting the venue and its owners. It's a symbolic condonement, as well as a financial one. I assume you all actually know this but are splitting hairs for whatever reason.
Several of the things said here make me think some of you want to present this as a simple overreaction. But if we as women (hell, if we as humans) don't feel safe within our own music/social scene (and several of us, including those who were present at the venue as well as those who have heard about it from witnesses, have said we do not) I think urging a boycott is a rational means of trying to protect ourselves and our friends.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Not everyone is on Twitter though
Nail meet head. Great post. The saddest thing about all this is that the indiepop scene in London is one which prides itself on being all inclusive. It is without of sexual or ethnic discrimination or the clique nature of other music movements.
It is a place where women and sometimes the underaged, as I was having been to gigs to see these similar bands since I was 16, can go watch bands and have a good time within a safe and friendly environment and the Windmill was one of the venues where this feeling thrived. The events of one idiot has tarnished this.
I just can't even....
Yes- it is completely fine to throw someone out of a pub for taking in their own drinks. No one is arguing that.
But it is not fine as a fully grown man, to drag a petite woman by the hair without prior attempt at removing her from the venue. The amount of force he used was disproportionate to the situation.
And it is not fine to use racist terminology- in this case 'paki'.
It is understandable you are questioning my reliability as you do not personally know me, but I have no motive to falsify information- I like The Windmill as a venue and had no prior communication with The Tuts so no bias towards either party. A lot of people within the indiepop community will be boycotting The Windmill regardless of the comments on this forum.
If you were not there, you will obviously be unsure what to believe. If you were there, you will have seen what happened.
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Yes- it is completely fine to throw someone out of a pub for taking in their own drinks. No one is arguing that.
But it is not fine as a fully grown man, to drag a petite woman by the hair without prior attempt at removing her from the venue. The amount of force he used was disproportionate to the situation.
And it is not fine to use racist terminology- in this case 'paki'.
It is understandable you are questioning my reliability as you do not personally know me, but I have no motive to falsify information- I like The Windmill as a venue and had no prior communication with The Tuts so no bias towards either party. A lot of people within the indiepop community will be boycotting The Windmill regardless of the comments on this forum.
If you were not there, you will obviously be unsure what to believe. If you were there, you will have seen what happened.
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Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I think you'll find it's because this forum is full of old fogeys who don't have twitter accounts.
Why did posters not simply quote her like I have been quoted in this thread? Why is Simona's face // name needed whereas my mug in front of the Polish embassy and my name, Matthew, is irrelevant to what I have posted on the internet in a public space?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
but I've not seen anyone on this thread dispute the fact that it was out of order behaviour on the part of the governor?
Sounds like seamus was swigging whiskey himself at the bar (his bar) while getting more and more heated up. I'm sure he completely regrets what's happened in the cold light of day and I don't believe hes racist fwiw. Never met nadia but have met seamus many times and I really like him.
Not entirely sure this social media blitz on a man who probably has only just heard of fax machines is quite fair either. Press charges or fuck off.
Not entirely sure this social media blitz on a man who probably has only just heard of fax machines is quite fair either. Press charges or fuck off.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
before this gets stupid.
people are trying to understand and get first hand accoutns to help them understand.
drew saw something on twitter and thought it might help to add context here
that is it... nothing else
no dodgy reasons or steering of the story, just passing on info
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Maybe the one who posted Simona's face has a Twitter account?
I wouldn't know how to post up what he's posted
Ms Ordinary
randompointlesschemistry
All sounds very complicated, but I s'pose there's no chance that Seamus was trying to describe "that Perkie" to the police?
Apart from the irrelevant discussion of drinks prices which complete distorted the discussion towards the idea of overly hyperbolic women.
Maybe the one who posted Simona's face
has a Twitter account?
I wouldn't know how to post up what he's posted
My twitter account - @theyalllaughed - has been directly copy and pasted from this thread with no screenshot.
It is highly unlikely that he knew her name. That excuse is comical.
You're really not grasping this public/private thing are you ? I really suggest you do before using the internet.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
He's right btw, and the initial twitter posting by Raverdrew was used to mock her (otherwise why the facepalm?)
Cunt's trick IMO, what's it got to do with the incident?
Some weird attitudes on this thread, people claiming not to be excusing the violence and racist language, but mostly focusing on the victim's drunkeness and not the thug in charge of the pub.
Irrelevant. My twitter is public. I was quoted. No one felt that my face and name as needed and my opinions and posts belittled.
snowy_again
Slush
If it was racist and physical abuse, then please do raise it with the police again. That will have more effect than some twitter campaign
But bear in mind that turning up pissed and then carrying on drinking your own booze isn't going to make you popular with the landlord, who might ask you to leave and can. That doesn't excuse racist language, nor physical violence.
The Tut Tuts facebook account has the following quotes from previous gigs:
I'm very aware that there is sexism within the music industry, but that reads a bit like a teenage temper tantrum. ((boyband))
But bear in mind that turning up pissed and then carrying on drinking your own booze isn't going to make you popular with the landlord, who might ask you to leave and can. That doesn't excuse racist language, nor physical violence.
The Tut Tuts facebook account has the following quotes from previous gigs:
- "we didn't stay for them, we had to leave cos Nadia was about to beat up everyone in the whole pub."
- "Why does trouble keep following the tuts!"
- "i wanna carry one [ a knife] i'd be shanking nuff mans
and amusingly:
Nadia laid down some truths about sexism in the live music scene - and promoters better know we're on to them. e.g. putting on a rising band like the tuts who have 559 fans on facebook, beloved by Kate Nash, thousands of views on their video, putting THEM in a support slot for some boyband with just over 100 facebook fans is fucking telling (no offence to said boyband, you may be very good)
I'm very aware that there is sexism within the music industry, but that reads a bit like a teenage temper tantrum. ((boyband))
simsimsim said:
Sad to see you coming here and making sexist allegations against this forum.
You are making allegations and people are not accusing you of lying. Nor have I seen any sexism. We are just keeping an open mind rather than leaping to conclusions. Perhaps you would get more credibility if you did not sling unjustified mud at us.
Having had the traditional battering around the head with an umbrella from Pat at the Albert I can confirm landlords don't take kindly to punters bringing their own booze into a pub.I not surprised about ruckus but must say the P word was right out of order.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
i think accusations of sexism on here are straying a long way from the point. (am a girl despite the username)
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'd say it was a mixed bag, but I can't see a single person who has condoned his behaviour (other than saying he was right to chuck her out), and by that I don't think they meant physically throw her out
Yes, that's exactly what I did
The subject of drinks prices was brought up from that blog post. I'd say it's highly relevant when the incident seemed to stem from someone bringing in their own vodka, whilst a friend of theirs declares that they feel "sick" for spending the huge sum of £2.40 at the bar.
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