The Trump presidency

[J Ed]

Of course on the subject of the e-mail server, there were those who knew about the issue and concluded correctly that it would be a terrible idea to run Clinton because of that alone.

Podesta suggests Cheryl Mills was against Clinton run because of email server

 

[Yossarian]

redistricting leads gerrymandering giving republican majorities in statehouses letting them bring in punitive voter ID laws.



Oh my god, you're finding a way of blaming Clinton for not doing enough to stop republican voter suppression.

The fact that she was interviewed last week, spoke at length about her election loss and why she thought it happened, and didn't include voter suppression suggests she doesn't consider it that big a deal. Mind you, she didn't give "Hillary Clinton's crappy campaign" as a reason either, so she may have some way to go toward recognizing the real causes.

 

[Idris2002]

redistricting leads gerrymandering giving republican majorities in statehouses letting them bring in punitive voter ID laws.



Oh my god, you're finding a way of blaming Clinton for not doing enough to stop republican voter suppression.

Not only are she and the Democrats guilty of not doing enough, they're guilty of doing sweet fuck all to stop that GOP bullshit.

 

[J Ed]

Christ you're wasted on Urban, clearly your calling is running a national presidential campaign in the states. Don't stop to pack! Go! Follow in the steps of Louise Mench.

You're the one who is channelling Louise Mensch, who of course is very smart.

 

[8den]

The fact that she was interviewed last week, spoke at length about her election loss and why she thought it happened, and didn't include voter suppression suggests she doesn't consider it that big a deal. Mind you, she didn't give "Hillary Clinton's crappy campaign" as a reason either, so she may have some way to go toward recognizing the real causes.

LETS FIND ANOTHER WAY TO HANG THIS ON CLINTON!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

millions of people in battleground states who might once have voted Democrat decided to vote for Donald Trump instead of her, while millions of others stayed home.

his election was effectively decided by 107,000 people in these three states. Trump won the popular vote there by that combined amount. That amounts to 0.09 percent of all votes cast in this election.

How Trump won the presidency with razor-thin margins in swing states

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Christ you're wasted on Urban, clearly your calling is running a national presidential campaign in the states.

... or France.

 

[J Ed]

How Trump won the presidency with razor-thin margins in swing states

The states where the Sanders campaign and trade unionists begged Clinton to campaign.

 

[8den]

Not only are she and the Democrats guilty of not doing enough, they're guilty of doing sweet fuck all to stop that GOP bullshit.

True but that's a much larger issue for the democratic party as a whole. It is in disarray, it's local campaigns aremess, they don't get people out for mid terms and minor elections.

And in two posts time, Yossarian will explain how that fault lies solely with Clinton.

 

[8den]

The states where the Sanders campaign and trade unionists begged Clinton to campaign.

Oh for fucks sake more Monday morning quarterbacking

 

[Yossarian]

LETS FIND ANOTHER WAY TO HANG THIS ON CLINTON!

We need more ways to hang Clinton's loss on Clinton?

I guess Bernie Sanders might not have concealed having pneumonia from those around him, tried to power through it, and ended up rambling about his opponent's supporters being a "basket of deplorables..."

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not only are she and the Democrats guilty of not doing enough, they're guilty of doing sweet fuck all to stop that GOP bullshit.

It was Trump bullshit; but before he even became the candidate, 18 other candidates also did sweet fuck all to stop it, by that logic.

But Clinton gets all the blame.

 

[J Ed]

Oh for fucks sake more Monday morning quarterbacking

Aren't you Irish why are you using an Americanism like that at all let alone in such a transparently dishonest way?

 

[J Ed]

We need more ways to hang Clinton's loss on Clinton?

I guess Bernie Sanders might not have concealed having pneumonia from those around him, tried to power through it, and ended up rambling about his opponent's supporters being a "basket of deplorables..."

Calling your potential voters a bunch of racists always a winning strategy.

 

[8den]

You're the one who is channelling Louise Mensch, who of course is very smart.

Are you claiming Russian Influence in this election is a conspiracy theory?
Mench is a conspiracy theorist and testing the adage about a stopped clock, and just because she wanted to work for the clinton campaign and someone on board the campaign liked her idea, is proof of fuck all

 

[8den]

Aren't you Irish why are you using an Americanism like that at all let alone in such a transparently dishonest way?

Because we're talking about an American election and therefore an American colloquium is suitable. It's also the perfect analogy, because you're re-running Sanders V Clinton on the thread ABOUT THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

Are you saying I can't use it because I'm Irish? Cause that's pretty fucking racist.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Trump got elected, because just the right amount of suckers in just the right places, fell for his bullshit.

All those people who didn't want foreign military interventionism, didn't want to lose their Medicare, who wanted a wall paid for by the Mexican government, etc etc etc.

 

[Idris2002]

Aren't you Irish why are you using an Americanism like that at all let alone in such a transparently dishonest way?

Ireland is actually the most Americanised Euro country.

It's hell I tell you comrades.

 

[teqniq]

You want me to explain to you how Russian hackers influenced this election?

Christ I knew you were ill informed but...

There still is no concrete proof of that.

 

[J Ed]

Trump got elected, because just the right amount of suckers in just the right places, fell for his bullshit.

All those people who didn't want foreign military interventionism, didn't want to lose their Medicare, who wanted a wall paid for by the Mexican government, etc etc etc.

Blame can only ever travel down, never up with you people.

 

[8den]

I guess Bernie Sanders might not have concealed having pneumonia from those around him, tried to power through it,

If she said she hand pneumonia, they would have had a field day anyway, she was screwed either way.

and ended up rambling about his opponent's supporters being a "basket of deplorables..."

It wasn't rambling it was a specific claim. And considering the rise in hate crimes since Trump's presidency are you denying it's true?

 

[8den]

There still is no concrete proof of that.

Out of curiosity what would you consider "concrete" proof.

 

[J Ed]

There still is no concrete proof of that.

I also would like proof about how 'Russian hackers' 'influenced' the election. I'm not ruling it out entirely, but how exactly is it supposed to have happened? Especially since thanks to 8den we now know that there was nothing in the emails, that there is no proof of Russian involvement on anyway, of any significance.

 

[J Ed]

We need more ways to hang Clinton's loss on Clinton?

I guess Bernie Sanders might not have concealed having pneumonia from those around him, tried to power through it, and ended up rambling about his opponent's supporters being a "basket of deplorables..."

At least Clinton had the excuse of being ill, her campaign surrogates on the other hand...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Blame can only ever travel down, never up with you people.

How many times are we going to have to do this: will it stop when Trump eventually leaves office - or will it continue in armchair rehashes, forever?

To repeat: Clinton made mistakes in the campaign; but the ultimate responsibility for an election win, lies with the people who voted for the winning candidate.

 

[teqniq]

Out of curiosity what would you consider "concrete" proof.

If they had actual proof such as unauthorised access to servers etc I suspect they would have been shouting it from the rooftops. As it is we are supposed to take various officials word for it. Consequently I remain sceptical.

 

[maomao]

How many times are we going to have to do this: will it stop when Trump eventually leaves office - or will it continue in armchair rehashes, forever?

To repeat: Clinton made mistakes in the campaign; but the ultimate responsibility for an election win, lies with the people who voted for the winning candidate.

According to claims by two Clintonites within the last few pages, before this discussion kicked off, it lies with anyone who didnt vote for Clinton.

 

[J Ed]

How many times are we going to have to do this: will it stop when Trump eventually leaves office - or will it continue in armchair rehashes, forever?

To repeat: Clinton made mistakes in the campaign; but the ultimate responsibility for an election win, lies with the people who voted for the winning candidate.

Mistakes? She ran one of the worst campaigns imaginable in her advantageous position.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Likely there's no cure for it: it seems that playing 'what if', wrt the 2016 election, is becoming as popular as playing 'what if' regarding WW2 is, for some people.

'What if Hitler actually tried to invade Britain?'

'What if Manstein had commanded on the Western Front?

'What if Hitler had forgot about Moscow, and concentrated on the Caucasus?'

It's all good for endless hours of diversion, for some.

 

[J Ed]

According to claims by two Clintonites within the last few pages, before this discussion kicked off, it lies with anyone who didnt vote for Clinton.

Or who voted for Clinton, encouraged others to vote for Clinton from a public platform that includes millions, but who made the irrevocable mistake of previously criticising Mother.