The Pro-Putin Left

[Yossarian]

Ive been temporarily banned from "clash fans agasint the right" for calling one of admins out for arguing that The Iraq War was far worse than Russia invading Ukraine - (cos NATO, Azov etc) . WTF is wrong with some people - cant they see that BOTH were absolutely fucking terrible? - and why are they keener on defending hussians vile regime that was widely hated by its own people then a democratic country whose people are very keen to defend themselves?
Fucking cartoon politics - "reporting of atrocities is a big propaganda drive by the MI complex and nato and US who want to keep the war going to hurt putin and make a profit" - when absolutely nobody wanted this war bar fucking voldemort in the kremlin and their is no solid consensus and much debate about what " the west" should do. The "stop the war" left have their head up their arse - and the shroud waving about how NATO et al want WW3 (when - unsurprisingly - every single country in the alliance is grappling with avoiding that at all costs whilst supporting Ukraine's resistance ) is essentially repeating and reinforcing putins nuclear sabre rattling.

So much of that around - to me, the people who keep focusing on Ukraine's pre-invasion issues instead of the invasion itself sound a lot like the people who keep piping up "Well, he was no angel" when American cops murder a Black man.

 

[strung out]

Ive been temporarily banned from "clash fans agasint the right" for calling one of admins out for arguing that The Iraq War was far worse than Russia invading Ukraine - (cos NATO, Azov etc) . WTF is wrong with some people - cant they see that BOTH were absolutely fucking terrible? - and why are they keener on defending hussians vile regime that was widely hated by its own people then a democratic country whose people are very keen to defend themselves?
Fucking cartoon politics - "reporting of atrocities is a big propaganda drive by the MI complex and nato and US who want to keep the war going to hurt putin and make a profit" - when absolutely nobody wanted this war bar fucking voldemort in the kremlin and their is no solid consensus and much debate about what " the west" should do. The "stop the war" left have their head up their arse - and the shroud waving about how NATO et al want WW3 (when - unsurprisingly - every single country in the alliance is grappling with avoiding that at all costs whilst supporting Ukraine's resistance ) is essentially repeating and reinforcing putins nuclear sabre rattling.

I know they're a bunch of irrelevant cranks, but I went on the Skwawkbox Twitter page earlier after Galloway retweeted them, and they're now calling out the BBC for being 'collaborators' for not saying that Azov are neonazis. Nothing to say about Putin or Russia though, obviously. Oh, apart from some shite about 'Corbyn was right', or something.

 

[Nigel]

This is just a load of phrases strung together and doesn't actually mean anything.

Why not start by explaining what you mean by:


And I'm not sure you ever explained what you meant by 'Ukraine region' either..?

Like I said
I haven't got the time effort energy or inclination to get into day/week long debates here!
You'll have to find someone else to play with!
I'm just commenting/replying to comments made or applied at me!

 

[Sue]

Like I said
I haven't got the time effort energy or inclination to get into day/week long debates here!
You'll have to find someone else to play with!
I'm just commenting/replying to comments made or applied at me!

If you're going to post stuff, at least post coherent stuff.

And this isn't about 'playing'. It's about discussing politics. Or not.

 

[Nigel]

If you're going to post stuff, at least post coherent stuff.

And this isn't about 'playing'. It's about discussing politics. Or not.

Who are you to tell me or nyone else for that matter what they should or should not do?

 

[Sue]

Who are you to tell me or nyone else for that matter what they should or should not do?

Jeezo.

 

[friedaweed]

Ive been temporarily banned from "clash fans agasint the right" for calling one of admins out for arguing that The Iraq War was far worse than Russia invading Ukraine - (cos NATO, Azov etc) . WTF is wrong with some people - cant they see that BOTH were absolutely fucking terrible? - and why are they keener on defending hussians vile regime that was widely hated by its own people then a democratic country whose people are very keen to defend themselves?
Fucking cartoon politics - "reporting of atrocities is a big propaganda drive by the MI complex and nato and US who want to keep the war going to hurt putin and make a profit" - when absolutely nobody wanted this war bar fucking voldemort in the kremlin and their is no solid consensus and much debate about what " the west" should do. The "stop the war" left have their head up their arse - and the shroud waving about how NATO et al want WW3 (when - unsurprisingly - every single country in the alliance is grappling with avoiding that at all costs whilst supporting Ukraine's resistance ) is essentially repeating and reinforcing putins nuclear sabre rattling.

It's been a while since we had a board war but excuse me for laughing at the fact that there's a group called "clash fans agasint the right". Why don't you start a group called Anti right Clash fans and see if you can poach everyone away from this deluded admin bod?

I thought the board and the board won.

 

[friedaweed]

Who are you to tell me or nyone else for that matter what they should or should not do?

The general consensus around here is if you post shit up you should be prepared to discuss it otherwise you'll end up like garvylinks and no-one wants another serial Cressida Dick fly-poster around here.

 

[hitmouse]

This is a public service announcement
With guitars
Know your rights
All three of them
Number one
You have the right to post incoherent nonsense
And then refuse to explain what you mean by it.

 

[Dogsauce]

This should be required reading for anyone involved in Stop the War, and anyone defending them.

Just don’t (as ever) read the comments, which show exactly how right they are. Just like the US right, much of the US left can only view the world tthrough US eyes. It’s not all about you, cherubs.

 

[steeplejack]

Don't 100% agree with your assesements, however points you bring up are very important in understanding the situation and how the conflict with Russian military intervention came about!Interesting point on
Slavic identiy, agree in some way, consider Serb Nationalism at the end of cold war, blatantly re-invented, much on historical mythology of conflicts with previous Empires; Ottoman, Hapsburg etc. to justify ethnic cleansing among other negative directions and actions!
However, like the Proxy war in Ukraine they were following the lead from EU and Western Imperialism: Predominantely German financial strategies through trade finance & banking thaat led to splitting and recognition of Slovenia & Croatia as western; predominately EU allies leading to Balkanisation of Yugoslavia, before Milosovic opportunistically encouraged Chauvanism & Reactionary Nationalism in Kosova and slightly later Bosnia!

what a load of unmitigated claptrap

said in such a tone of authority as well

it's more low grade concrete poetry than political analysis

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Another outfit I'd never heard of before Home - Toward Freedom
Anyone know owt about them? The writing style reminded me of the sort of thing I'd see on Spiked Online, back when I could be bothered to look at it. One-sided, half-truths, ignoring the big picture whilst claiming to be exposing the big picture, rarely stating an actual political position whilst implying it.

 

[Supine]

what a load of unmitigated claptrap

said in such a tone of authority as well

it's more low grade concrete poetry than political analysis

Makes a change from his blatant racism I suppose

 

[Dystopiary]

Scary that this person has 14.2 k twitter followers.

Spoiler: Marxist-Leninist/Duginist/Xi-ist/Maoist weirdness

Spoiler: Maxist-Leninist/Duginist shite

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It's been a while since we had a board war but excuse me for laughing at the fact that there's a group called "clash fans agasint the right". Why don't you start a group called Anti right Clash fans and see if you can poach everyone away from this deluded admin bod?

I thought the board and the board won.

In my experience there is nothing to be gained from getting into a political row with Facebook group admins/‘super fans’ of bands with ‘radical politics’. Their status as admins/super fans already marks them out, and they believe their status affords them a deeper insight into what the band would have thought on any given political matter.

 

[friedaweed]

In my experience there is nothing to be gained from getting into a political row with Facebook group admins/‘super fans’ of bands with ‘radical politics’. Their status as admins/super fans already marks them out, and they believe their status affords them a deeper insight into what the band would have thought on any given political matter.

Nothing to be gained...what about watching them spin out of control

 

[NoXion]

Scary that this person has 14.2 k twitter followers.

Spoiler: Marxist-Leninist/Duginist/Xi-ist/Maoist weirdness

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Spoiler: Maxist-Leninist/Duginist shite

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Oh look, a false trilemma. Don't see those often.

 

[frogwoman]

Lol if there's anyone I'd ask to help me with a spot of denazification it's Dugin

 

[rekil]

These cunts are going to keep this going for years.

 

[ska invita]

to me, the people who keep focusing on Ukraine's pre-invasion issues instead of the invasion itself sound a lot like the people who keep piping up "Well, he was no angel" when American cops murder a Black man.

a broad point:
political events are always best understood through, if not a long view , then at least a medium term view of history
the endless day to day chasing of the news cycle leads to dizzyness - or in the case of Ukraine invasion to conclusions such as Putin Has Gone Mad.

I'd argue in general there's too much concentration on the immediate and not enough on longer trends - awareness of this over focus on the present - on the power of the daily news to create a dislocated narrative - has led to a tactic actively embraced by the right to sow confusion and nurture low level despondence about the possibility of fundamental positive change.

of course its not either-or, but id argue while we are probably in a golden age of event reporting thanks to the internet, what is lacking by comparison is that mid-term and long-term perspective and narrative. it allows all kinds of batshit interpretation of the latest event.

If you want radical change, ie change from the roots, you've got to focus on the roots that need pulling up, not the latest bud on the tree

of course fuck the pro-putin left, in case there is any doubt

 

[ska invita]

I know they're a bunch of irrelevant cranks, but I went on the Skwawkbox Twitter page earlier after Galloway retweeted them, and they're now calling out the BBC for being 'collaborators' for not saying that Azov are neonazis. Nothing to say about Putin or Russia though, obviously. Oh, apart from some shite about 'Corbyn was right', or something.

theres a large degree of truth to that i expect....i was at my mums the other day and she has BBC TV news on all day, and their representation of Marine Le Pen was shocking in its normalisation of her politics

 

[Sue]

theres a large degree of truth to that i expect....i was at my mums the other day and she has BBC TV news on all day, and their representation of Marine Le Pen was shocking in its normalisation of her politics

Le Pen and her politics have become normalised though. Whatever you think of the BBC, they're presumably just reflecting that reality?

 

[strung out]

theres a large degree of truth to that i expect....i was at my mums the other day and she has BBC TV news on all day, and their representation of Marine Le Pen was shocking in its normalisation of her politics

Yes, the BBC are collaborating with Neo-Nazis, completely normal and accurate from Skwawkbox.

 

[The39thStep]

theres a large degree of truth to that i expect....i was at my mums the other day and she has BBC TV news on all day, and their representation of Marine Le Pen was shocking in its normalisation of her politics

At least the BBC call her far right which is more than they do for Azov which apparently are only 'controversial'

 

[Southlondon]

Yes, the BBC are collaborating with Neo-Nazis, completely normal and accurate from Skwawkbox.

Or maybe you swallow everything the BBC tell you. They are our state broadcaster and with Dories now involved please don’t tell me they’re neutral

 

[Pickman's model]

Or maybe you swallow everything the BBC tell you. They are our state broadcaster and with Dories now involved please don’t tell me they’re neutral

i think we have discussed this subject at considerable length, if not ad nauseam, on numerous other threads

 

[Southlondon]

i think we have discussed this subject at considerable length, if not ad nauseam, on numerous other threads

Well perhaps we all need reminding that our news is going to be full of propaganda and that it’s healthy to look beyond the narrative especially when we are engaged in a proxy war.

 

[strung out]

Yeah, the BBC aren't Neo-Nazi collaborators though, and when certain far left sources parrot that line but daren't say a peep about Putin or the atrocities inflicted on the Ukrainian people, then forgive me for raising an eyebrow.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well perhaps we all need reminding that our news is going to be full of propaganda and that it’s healthy to look beyond the narrative especially when we are engaged in a proxy war.

from march 6:

Yeh we are being lied to by all sides

Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022

The US possibly moving with one eye on capability to defend the Bosporus: Doubt that, a lot - the Turks can defend the Bosphorus with ease, even against a force vastly superior to the one the Russians have (in the Med and the Black Sea combined). It would also be an attack on a NATO state...

www.urban75.net

 

[nogojones]

Well perhaps we all need reminding that our news is going to be full of propaganda and that it’s healthy to look beyond the narrative especially when we are engaged in a proxy war.

What sources would you recommend?