Yossarian
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So much of that around - to me, the people who keep focusing on Ukraine's pre-invasion issues instead of the invasion itself sound a lot like the people who keep piping up "Well, he was no angel" when American cops murder a Black man.
The Pro-Putin Left
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So much of that around - to me, the people who keep focusing on Ukraine's pre-invasion issues instead of the invasion itself sound a lot like the people who keep piping up "Well, he was no angel" when American cops murder a Black man.
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I know they're a bunch of irrelevant cranks, but I went on the Skwawkbox Twitter page earlier after Galloway retweeted them, and they're now calling out the BBC for being 'collaborators' for not saying that Azov are neonazis. Nothing to say about Putin or Russia though, obviously. Oh, apart from some shite about 'Corbyn was right', or something.
If you're going to post stuff, at least post coherent stuff.
And this isn't about 'playing'. It's about discussing politics. Or not.
Jeezo.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
It's been a while since we had a board war
but excuse me for laughing at the fact that there's a group called "clash fans agasint the right". Why don't you start a group called Anti right Clash fans and see if you can poach everyone away from this deluded admin bod?I thought the board and the board won.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
The general consensus around here is if you post shit up you should be prepared to discuss it otherwise you'll end up like garvylinks and no-one wants another serial Cressida Dick fly-poster around here.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Just don’t (as ever) read the comments, which show exactly how right they are. Just like the US right, much of the US left can only view the world tthrough US eyes. It’s not all about you, cherubs.
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
what a load of unmitigated claptrap
said in such a tone of authority as well
it's more low grade concrete poetry than political analysis
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Another outfit I'd never heard of before Home - Toward Freedom
Anyone know owt about them? The writing style reminded me of the sort of thing I'd see on Spiked Online, back when I could be bothered to look at it. One-sided, half-truths, ignoring the big picture whilst claiming to be exposing the big picture, rarely stating an actual political position whilst implying it.
Anyone know owt about them? The writing style reminded me of the sort of thing I'd see on Spiked Online, back when I could be bothered to look at it. One-sided, half-truths, ignoring the big picture whilst claiming to be exposing the big picture, rarely stating an actual political position whilst implying it.
Supine
Newt Member
what a load of unmitigated claptrap
said in such a tone of authority as well
it's more low grade concrete poetry than political analysis
Makes a change from his blatant racism I suppose
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Scary that this person has 14.2 k twitter followers.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
It's been a while since we had a board war
I thought the board and the board won.
In my experience there is nothing to be gained from getting into a political row with Facebook group admins/‘super fans’ of bands with ‘radical politics’. Their status as admins/super fans already marks them out, and they believe their status affords them a deeper insight into what the band would have thought on any given political matter.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Nothing to be gained...what about watching them spin out of control
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Oh look, a false trilemma. Don't see those often.
ska invita
back on the other side
a broad point:
political events are always best understood through, if not a long view , then at least a medium term view of history
the endless day to day chasing of the news cycle leads to dizzyness - or in the case of Ukraine invasion to conclusions such as Putin Has Gone Mad.
I'd argue in general there's too much concentration on the immediate and not enough on longer trends - awareness of this over focus on the present - on the power of the daily news to create a dislocated narrative - has led to a tactic actively embraced by the right to sow confusion and nurture low level despondence about the possibility of fundamental positive change.
of course its not either-or, but id argue while we are probably in a golden age of event reporting thanks to the internet, what is lacking by comparison is that mid-term and long-term perspective and narrative. it allows all kinds of batshit interpretation of the latest event.
If you want radical change, ie change from the roots, you've got to focus on the roots that need pulling up, not the latest bud on the tree
of course fuck the pro-putin left, in case there is any doubt
ska invita
back on the other side
theres a large degree of truth to that i expect....i was at my mums the other day and she has BBC TV news on all day, and their representation of Marine Le Pen was shocking in its normalisation of her politics
Le Pen and her politics have become normalised though. Whatever you think of the BBC, they're presumably just reflecting that reality?
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Yes, the BBC are collaborating with Neo-Nazis, completely normal and accurate from Skwawkbox.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
At least the BBC call her far right which is more than they do for Azov which apparently are only 'controversial'
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Or maybe you swallow everything the BBC tell you. They are our state broadcaster and with Dories now involved please don’t tell me they’re neutral
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think we have discussed this subject at considerable length, if not ad nauseam, on numerous other threads
Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
Well perhaps we all need reminding that our news is going to be full of propaganda and that it’s healthy to look beyond the narrative especially when we are engaged in a proxy war.
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Yeah, the BBC aren't Neo-Nazi collaborators though, and when certain far left sources parrot that line but daren't say a peep about Putin or the atrocities inflicted on the Ukrainian people, then forgive me for raising an eyebrow.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
from march 6:
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022
The US possibly moving with one eye on capability to defend the Bosporus: Doubt that, a lot - the Turks can defend the Bosphorus with ease, even against a force vastly superior to the one the Russians have (in the Med and the Black Sea combined). It would also be an attack on a NATO state...
www.urban75.net
nogojones
spelling is overrated
What sources would you recommend?
