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sovereignb
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Sounds like you don't really want the job?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
somewhat mixed feelings.
trying to bung some initial thoughts together -
for taking the job -
i really need to move back to london (ageing mum-tat based reasons), this is london based but short term commutable.
increasingly pissed off with current job (excessive workload, never got properly trained in the systems i have to use)
this comes with a proper pension scheme
it's related to what i do now although bit of a tangent
it's a job - i'm at the age where there aren't going to be loads more chances, and it's better than scratching round for bits of temporary work
for not taking it -
it's a bit dull / data crunching sort of thing and meh
less money than i'm on now, and have now found out it's less than i thought after the initial training (they only advertised the 'to start' and i was prepared to take a short term cut but hmm)
not entirely sure i've got the energy to start a new job and move house (although the financial implications of leaving job, moving house, then job hunting, aren't inspiring
organisation isn't great in a number of respects (can't really go in to detail here)
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
Is there a chance the benefits of this job can come again soon? If your gut telling you anything go with it.
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I had this dilemma last week. I am being made redundant and I was offered a job that I knew I didn't want as soon I walked out the interview. I very nearly accepted but I just felt worse and worse about it. Amongst over issues the job was almost exactly what I was doing fifteen years ago. The guy doing the job offering also gaslighted me, in telling me that I had somehow got the wrong idea about a key aspect of this job when it was in black and white on the job description. I got to the point the anxiety was too overwhelming and I declined in the end, but definitely not easy and so back to the drawing board
Seems there is a very strong chance the events industry will not be looking for old/fat/lazy/drunk/pricks consultancy/freelance staff given the current situation 
Will sell some blood, semen and other worthless crap I have lying around but it won't be long before I need a real job somewhere 
not yet worked out what that is (or what I can do) but need to start soon.
Will sell some blood, semen and other worthless crap I have lying around but it won't be long before I need a real job somewhere not yet worked out what that is (or what I can do) but need to start soon.
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
Seems there is a very strong chance the events industry will not be looking forold/fat/lazy/drunk/pricksconsultancy/freelance staff given the current situation
Read this whilst job hunting online for I don't know fuck all. Its so easy to be drawn into the same job I was doing before, but barely an ounce of passion for it. Coupled with the organisation's continued high turnover - they're still recruiting yet I know they've just cleared out a bunch of people and there are grievances etc.
Any place that is constantly recruiting doesnt sound like a good sign to me.
miss direct
misfungled
Seems there is a very strong chance the events industry will not be looking forold/fat/lazy/drunk/pricksconsultancy/freelance staff given the current situation
I'm also freelance, and it seems a TERRIBLE time to be freelance, am almost constantly panicking!
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Just had a thought.
If early next year a highly-respected, instantly-recognisable, long-established, national-treasure of an organisation suddenly goes into spectacular decline then... you don't know me, ok?
I discovered that the place I'm now working at is just fucking bonkers. Fuck knows how they are still operating.
They recruited a bunch of subject-matter experts (of which I'm one) to help dig themselves out of an operational pit of their own making. However they are steadfastly refusing to change anything at all despite us pointing out why this might not be a wise course of action and also showing them a far more effective* way of doing things.
(i.e. better, faster, cheaper)
We have now formed a WhatsApp group to secretly (we have no trust in anyone there - that's how ludicrous it is) plan a last-ditch attempt at getting things changed. If that fails we're all going to leave.
^^^ This: NHS, supermarkets, Royal Mail, and farm work. I am kinda thinking I would be well up for fruit picking for a couple of months, but I might have a city-dwellers romanticised image of it 
(and I am "furloughed" so not allowed to take on other paid employment). But seems bonkers that, as is being reported, farmers are warning that tons of fruits might rot in fields because they can't guarantee that they will be able to fly over enough Romanian and Bulgarian workers!
(and I am "furloughed" so not allowed to take on other paid employment). But seems bonkers that, as is being reported, farmers are warning that tons of fruits might rot in fields because they can't guarantee that they will be able to fly over enough Romanian and Bulgarian workers!
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Are you sure about this? I thought the rule was that you were not allowed to work for the employer who has furloughed you?
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Find out if you’re eligible, and how much your employer can claim if they put you on temporary leave ('furlough') because of coronavirus (COVID-19).
Are you sure about this? I thought the rule was that you were not allowed to work for the employer who has furloughed you?
[Withdrawn] Check if your employer can use the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme
Find out if you’re eligible, and how much your employer can claim if they put you on temporary leave ('furlough') because of coronavirus (COVID-19).www.gov.uk
Shit, does that mean I have got no excuse not to go and do farmwork now?
I am not sure, it's how I initially understood it. Just had a look again at the agreement I have been sent and it says: "During your Furlough Leave, you may not work for us, any other organisation, or on your own account. If you do, you must tell us, and you may be liable to repay any sums we have paid you under this scheme if we become liable to repay it to the Government". So does this mean that we can take up other employment, but might/will have to pay back the money we have been getting from original employer?
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Shit, does that mean I have got no excuse not to go and do farmwork now?
I am not sure, it's how I initially understood it. Just had a look again at the agreement I have been sent and it says: "During your Furlough Leave, you may not work for us, any other organisation, or on your own account. If you do, you must tell us, and you may be liable to repay any sums we have paid you under this scheme if we become liable to repay it to the Government". So does this mean that we can take up other employment, but might/will have to pay back the money we have been getting from original employer?
My understanding is different to the advice you've been given. Although the govt guidelines do not explicitly deal with the scenario of getting a new job after being furloughed, they do say that if you have two jobs they are treated separately and you can be furloughed for one but not the other.
Of course, your contract might forbid you to work for someone else anyway. Unless it does however, I think you are free to do so whilst being furloughed.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
My company is recruiting still. Mainly engineering roles at present but others in the pipeline. PM me if interested.
We're all on home working.
We're all on home working.
RubyToogood
RubyTwobikes
Yes I noticed that Cook are recruiting with some urgency: Jobs | COOK
I think there's quite a lot of churn. Although some sectors have dropped dead, others are having to expand rapidly, or cover sickness/people disappearing to cover relatives/being trapped in the wrong place.
I think there's quite a lot of churn. Although some sectors have dropped dead, others are having to expand rapidly, or cover sickness/people disappearing to cover relatives/being trapped in the wrong place.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Shit, does that mean I have got no excuse not to go and do farmwork now?
I am not sure, it's how I initially understood it. Just had a look again at the agreement I have been sent and it says: "During your Furlough Leave, you may not work for us, any other organisation, or on your own account. If you do, you must tell us, and you may be liable to repay any sums we have paid you under this scheme if we become liable to repay it to the Government". So does this mean that we can take up other employment, but might/will have to pay back the money we have been getting from original employer?
Update to Govt scheme. Your employer is wrong. You are allowed to work for someone else while on furlough:
[Withdrawn] Check if your employer can use the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme
Find out if you’re eligible, and how much your employer can claim if they put you on temporary leave ('furlough') because of coronavirus (COVID-19).
Jackobi
swallows anything
Winot not where a contract of employment restricts that. From your link:
"If your contract allows, you may undertake other employment while your current employer has placed you on furlough, and this will not affect the grant that they can claim under the scheme."
It looks like zora 's employer has that covered with the agreement which would likely form part of the employment contract.
"If your contract allows, you may undertake other employment while your current employer has placed you on furlough, and this will not affect the grant that they can claim under the scheme."
It looks like zora 's employer has that covered with the agreement which would likely form part of the employment contract.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
That’s a good point, and way beyond my level of (amateur) expertise. Not sure though that an employer can unilaterally vary the terms of a contract in that way.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
there is some discussion of the furlough / having two jobs / taking on a temporary job while furloughed on one of the other threads (here-ish)
i have had employment contracts where outside employment is not allowed at all / not allowed if it's a conflict of interest / not allowed if it interferes with you doing the main job - especially where 'drivers hours' rules are involved / where you have to get prior approval / where you have to tell them / where it's not mentioned at all.
it sounds as though zora's employer may not have known the situation and have been trying to cover their proverbials at a time when they weren't sure what the rules were.
detailed info from the government wasn't available whan it was announced (hardly surprising - the whole thing was put in to law in less time than it normally takes the government machine to get a first draft prepared)
my employer initially put something out saying that other paid employment wasn't allowed if you went on furlough but volunteering was. they have since gone a bit quiet about that - since i'm not on furlough, i haven't had any detailed instructions.
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
Oh how things change
Agency called me again today, offering a 2-3 contract in my old team. They had previously been calling me to go to the team downstairs, which i had only known for negative things. It seems I will be working from home and most engagement will be email based so cant complain 
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
It happened to my old colleague...both our contracts ended in December. She happens to live with someone who works at LBC. They needed quick recruitment and the housemate put a word in about colleagues situation. Few days later she was working in one of the production teams. Although we had some transferable skills there is no way she would have got that job without the current situation, but its worked out well for her.
sovereignb
Well-Known Member
The fuckers decided to recruit internally. The whole situation is depressing the fuck out of meOh how things change
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Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
the meh job mentioned above have been in touch - they are wanting to talk about starting, even if it means working / learning the job remotely.
i'm still underwhelmed - and a bit concerned that i'll either get furloughed (and will be too new to get furlough pay) or laid off if that doesn't work.
but also have the feeling this may be the last chance for some time (and having turned 50 there aren't going to be that many more chances)
blargh
sovereignb
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the meh job mentioned above have been in touch - they are wanting to talk about starting, even if it means working / learning the job remotely.
i'm still underwhelmed - and a bit concerned that i'll either get furloughed (and will be too new to get furlough pay) or laid off if that doesn't work.
but also have the feeling this may be the last chance for some time (and having turned 50 there aren't going to be that many more chances)
blargh
Surely they wouldnt do that if they are contacting you start?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i am fairly sure that they have not taken new people on going straight to working from home before (the interview was a few weeks before coronavirus started, they made provisional offer but then put the whole thing on hold when the lockdown started.) don't remember the concept of working from home even being mentioned as an occasional thing.
unprecedented times and all that sort of cobblers.
while i don't want to go in to detail, it's going to involve learning a whole raft of new software and so on, and i'm not entirely convinced it's going to work doing it all remotely.
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